9 minutes ago, Noooch said:

I tend not to believe them anymore regarding this...

Why?

1 hour ago, cepact said:

MSFS have good developers in large quantity but they lack knowledge and experience in coding airliners

 

No no no. That is not how the industry works. A good coder is a good coder. Tell them what the thing is supposed to do and they'll make it happen. Don't underestimate AAA studios.

Guerrilla Games only made first person shooters then they switched to a third person, open world rpg and made their most critically and commercially successful game in Horizon Zero Dawn.

Riot Games, only known for a top down moba game ventured into the fps genre and now Valorant is the most viewed game on twitch.

To those of you saying impossible this and impossible that, make no mistake whether or not Asobo does something will only be dependent on how they prioritize things. I have a feeling they can make a FSlabs level plane and it won't take them a year to do it.

Edited April 18, 20206 yr by Krakin

10 minutes ago, threegreen said:

Why?

Look at the world they created, Courchevel, Lukla etc...weather, GA aircrafts already in the sim, should I go on?

They are at least at the same level of the best 3rd parties on the market.

And I don't even mention the close partnership they got with manufacturers or their financial resources.

Edited April 18, 20206 yr by Noooch

8 minutes ago, threegreen said:

Why?

Probably because of how fast we've seen things progressing in various aspects of the sim. They had no snow, we complained and now alpha testers are flying on it. Also, you can see how ambitious they are with what they plan on putting in the A320 before launch.

I have to step on the brake here. They look good, yes. But we simply don't know the exact level yet. We will find out once the game is released. 

I also don't doubt that they can develop a plane at the level of fslabs but I think it would take them a lot longer than a year. An Airbus is just really complex to develop.

2 minutes ago, Til19031986 said:

I have to step on the brake here. They look good, yes. But we simply don't know the exact level yet. We will find out once the game is released. 

I also don't doubt that they can develop a plane at the level of fslabs but I think it would take them a lot longer than a year. An Airbus is just really complex to develop.

So the real question is: Do they want to achieve this level? We just don't know

4 minutes ago, Til19031986 said:

I have to step on the brake here. They look good, yes. But we simply don't know the exact level yet. We will find out once the game is released. 

I also don't doubt that they can develop a plane at the level of fslabs but I think it would take them a lot longer than a year. An Airbus is just really complex to develop.

How many people does the average 3pd have on staff? There's no comparison. A plane is not a game. A plane is a component in a game. A Plague Take: Innocence is far more complex than anything PMDG or FSlabs has ever done and it probably took them 4-5 years to do it. Don't limit Asobo to the 3pds you're used to.

They've already demoed the automated checklist functionality so even if they've gone all in with the buttons and knobs you should be able to get the plane in the air without having to read manuals if that's not your thing.

I don’t really understand the point of releasing an aircraft (A320N) if it’s full of bugs and issues. 

First they probably should focus on known issues like weather, aerodynamic, previous aircraft etc. 

Secondly, if I had the alpha version, I wouldn’t even know where to start and what issue to report. When you see all the issues they have on the airbus. You can not even fly it properly. For exemple, the Flight management system is full of bugs, and the engine indication as well. And it not like it’s not implemented, It is but just full of bugs. It’s pointless to test it. 

So I don’t really have a good feeling about this new sim. They add more and more stuff, but nothing really get fix. The next alpha, they will release the B747, and it will be the same story over and over. They said, they want to do things right before releasing it, but in fact they do the opposite. 

 

 

2 minutes ago, popite78 said:

So I don’t really have a good feeling about this new sim. They add more and more stuff, but nothing really get fix. The next alpha, they will release the B747, and it will be the same story over and over. They said, they want to do things right before releasing it, but in fact they do the opposite.

It's an Alpha, that's the point of it. It is only to be expected that a new feature or new content will be full of bugs. Those who are part of the Alpha know where to start, from any bugs that are not on the "known issues" list. This means that they are working on those bugs, so I don't know why you think nothing gets fixed. Yesterday a new patch with mostly bug fixes was released. Besides, all we have now are the known issues, which is not an indicator of the amount of overall bugs.

4 hours ago, Casualcas said:

I would hope that its NOT a "study level" aircraft. There are several simmers including myself that just dont care, dont have the time, the interest in learning complex systems to fly the bloody thing. Because I have no interest in becoming an Airbus pilot. If its half way between the stock fsx 737, and pmdg 737 I'll be extremely happy. I won't need anything more. Save that depth for people that want it and will pay for it. 

There is an auto checklist function, and they want to put this on consoles so I assume there will be a way to simplify it.

4 hours ago, Casualcas said:

I would hope that its NOT a "study level" aircraft. There are several simmers including myself that just dont care, dont have the time, the interest in learning complex systems to fly the bloody thing. Because I have no interest in becoming an Airbus pilot. If its half way between the stock fsx 737, and pmdg 737 I'll be extremely happy. I won't need anything more. Save that depth for people that want it and will pay for it. 

Yes!  You have to keep in mind that the average person at whom this product is oriented is not an expert, nor real-world plot.  The default aircraft are for people who want to go up and enjo them.  I hope this is kept in mind for the 747 and the Cessna jet as well (as well as any others, we'd love to have tons and tons of aircraft, hint hint Asobo ;)  )

The planes can be both high level and simple. They'll probably have options to turn down the 'difficulty'.

Asobo has said that each aircraft would have different levels of realism to choose from.  If you want dumb aircraft, check the dumb case, if you want smart aircraft check the smart case, if you want study level, check the case.

I hope that Asobo will persist in this idea and make the best aircraft possible instead of leveling the quality to the mediocre as it has been the case until now in the FS/P3D default. Here also Asobo could bring a revolution. "Study level"  as default. I'd love that. 

And better have a few good aircraft than a ton of mediocre ones. Actually a very good Cub, TBM or Caravan and a Neo would enough for me. Not need to multiply the aircraft, at least at release. Quality over quantity.

Edited April 18, 20206 yr by Dominique_K

4 hours ago, Krakin said:

No no no. That is not how the industry works. A good coder is a good coder. Tell them what the thing is supposed to do and they'll make it happen. Don't underestimate AAA studios.

Guerrilla Games only made first person shooters then they switched to a third person, open world rpg and made their most critically and commercially successful game in Horizon Zero Dawn.

Riot Games, only known for a top down moba game ventured into the fps genre and now Valorant is the most viewed game on twitch.

To those of you saying impossible this and impossible that, make no mistake whether or not Asobo does something will only be dependent on how they prioritize things. I have a feeling they can make a FSlabs level plane and it won't take them a year to do it.

Exactly!

And they may well hire some of those coders that have already made systems for airbus, including FSlabs or another one as a form of partnership and paying for it.

They can do whatever they want! They have the money and the staff to do that.

What they have done so far, and the rapid progress, shows that they are very experienced and have the support of MS.