5 minutes ago, canadiantree said:

But can you explain to us in what way, shape or form the fawning of gratitude is a problem? What are the potential negative impacts you are afraid of? What worries you about people expressing thanks? Are you afraid this will make Asobo want to botch the release? Or are you just annoyed by positivity in general?

Well, they must feel a bit silly seeing people so grateful before the game is even released and the customers have had a chance to form their honest opinion.

As for being grateful of the content that's been shared: That's standard game marketing these days and marketing side is probably not Asobo's responsibility at all. That falls down to the publisher's role.

1 minute ago, canadiantree said:

But can you explain to us in what way, shape or form the fawning of gratitude is a problem? What are the potential negative impacts you are afraid of? What worries you about people expressing thanks? Are you afraid this will make Asobo want to botch the release? Or are you just annoyed by positivity in general?

1. Not a problem.

2. No potential negative impact that I'm 'afraid' of at all.. (my friends would wet their pants if they thought I was thanking game designers, they know I have a life)

3. Why on earth would ASOBO want to botch a release?

4. Positivity? Seriously? I'm thankful that I'm still healthy during Covid, Very positive about that, but for a game?

I hope that explains a bit about how I feel about fawning over a alpha incomplete release.

Maybe that's a new way to try get ASOBO to grant alpha access? LOL....

As Kopteeni says, it's probably NOT even ASOBO, but their marketing/publisher/advertiser's role. 

 

12 minutes ago, Kopteeni said:

Well, they must feel a bit silly seeing people so grateful before the game is even released and the customers have had a chance to form their honest opinion.

The post didn't thank Asobo for the game/sim. It thanked them for their their numerous updates and general openness regarding the progress of MSFS when there was nothing requiring Asobo or Microsoft to share information so generously with us during development.

In fact, as we well know, pulling back the curtain so comprehensively and regularly is far from the norm, and because of that, yes, is worthy of open appreciation.

You are aware what happened to MS's previous sim release, with no publicity at all? 

This is all about not making the same mistake & all about making money & keeping their shareholders happy. 

It's very much about them sharing their advertising. Their game franchises have always done very well, over 60 million per month. They have a bad recent flight sim history, hence their advertising (generous sharing) It has been unknown for any game franchise to release so many teasers before. MSFS needs as much as they can do.

11 minutes ago, HiFlyer said:

The post didn't thank Asobo for the game/sim. It thanked them for their their numerous updates and general openness regarding the progress of MSFS when there was nothing requiring Asobo or Microsoft to share information so generously with us during development.

In fact, as we well know, pulling back the curtain so comprehensively and regularly is far from the norm, and because of that, yes, is worthy of open appreciation.

What they've shown is strictly curated short glimpses of the game to demonstrate its features. We've only been shown a couple of second flashes of the actual gameplay. and when the going has gotten really interesting they've speeded the game up to 5x.

 

10 hours ago, KERNEL32 said:

I was just reflecting on the latest June 4th update on the official FS website, looking at all those great screenshots, reading about the latest development, and thinking to myself "what an awesome dev group we have today with Asobo, how are we so lucky?" Not just for how well that the team is putting the simulator together, but for how they are so open, sharing so much, and just for being... them!

Several younger generation don't seem to get it and some take this sharing for granted. I started "simming" back in the sub Logic days, and for every iteration of FS development I could ever remember, there was little to NO information about the pending releases...

How exciting and fun this has been to follow along in the development of the new Flight Simulator by Microsoft!

Kudos Asobo and Microsoft, and THANK YOU!

Long time FS user and Fan

Couldn't agree more.

Another oldtimer who started with FS4.

25 minutes ago, Kopteeni said:

What they've shown is strictly curated short glimpses of the game to demonstrate its features. We've only been shown a couple of second flashes of the actual gameplay. and when the going has gotten really interesting they've speeded the game up to 5x.

I'm going to call nonsense on that. 

Just the discovery series videos, Wing Wednesdays and their Friday updates not to mention their posted road-map constitute more detailed information on an upcoming sim release them I believe we have ever seen, ever.

Prove me wrong by pointing out who has shared more.

Stubborn unwillingness to appreciate that, says a lot more about us, than it does about them.

EDIT: You know, I have a suspicion at least part of this is the frequently expressed angst of those not invited yet,

Edited June 9, 20206 yr by HiFlyer

Yes, I'm sure we all do appreciate what their marketing department is doing, and also appreciate that if they have not being doing it, the sim would go down the tubes like Flight did.

So, it's not really for us, what they are doing, but it's for their shareholders. If they do not advertise what they are doing, & generate interest, no sales, & we know what happened then.

6 minutes ago, HiFlyer said:

I'm going to call nonsense on that. 

Just the discovery series videos, Wing Wednesdays and their Friday updates not to mention their posted road-map constitute more detailed information on an upcoming sim release them I believe we have ever seen, ever.

Prove me wrong by pointing out who has shared more.

Stubborn unwillingness to appreciate that, says a lot more about us, than it does about them.

The public roadmap would constitute as openness to me. The only thing I can conclude from the published screenshots is that MSFS can look good when things are not in motion. 

They've been really shy on showing us actual gameplay. I've been wondering why. Perhaps it's because the scenery is suffering from terrain morphing and autogen popping issues. We've seem some of this is non curated leaked videos.

 

At the end of the day they release content for us in an effort to market the game. The amount of content they share is up to the standards of game marketing in 2020.

I'm under the assumption that ASOBO is the development team under the watchful eyes of Microsoft - ya know ,the ones who hired them.  So I don't think MS wants this rather expensive and hyped project to get botched at the starting gate.

It's hard to believe I started-out this little hobby 25 years ago when a co-worker gave me a floppy disc with MSFS Version 1, and later,  Ver. 2.  -  I was totally hooked after that.  Now, I just cannot wait for 2020...   

   

Just now, Wobbie said:

and also appreciate that if they have not being doing it, the sim would go down the tubes like Flight did.

Plenty of successful products are released in this genre without extensive reveals beforehand. In fact most simply show an occasionally picture every few weeks, if that.

PMDG are a good example, and they seem to still be in business.

3 minutes ago, Wobbie said:

So, it's not really for us, what they are doing, but it's for their shareholders. If they do not advertise what they are doing, & generate interest, no sales, & we know what happened then.

So we are accusing them of being a company, looking for a profit? OK, then you would have to point out exactly how else they would make back the millions they are pouring into this. Or are we just so deserving that they owe us all this for free, with no selfish plans on their part for ROI?

1 minute ago, HiFlyer said:

Plenty of successful products are released in this genre without extensive reveals beforehand. In fact most simply show an occasionally picture every few weeks, if that.

PMDG are a good example, and they seem to still be in business.

So we are accusing them of being a company, looking for a profit? OK, then you would have to point out exactly how else they would make back the millions they are pouring into this. Or are we just so deserving that they owe us all this for free, with no selfish plans on their part for ROI?

Funny.. Of course they are a company looking for profit..That's a fact, not an accusation. All companies do that, promoting themselves et al.

Anywhere it was said that they must do it for free?

Edited June 9, 20206 yr by Wobbie

11 minutes ago, Kopteeni said:

The public roadmap would constitute as openness to me. The only thing I can conclude from the published screenshots is that MSFS can look good when things are not in motion. 

There have been enough leaks, not to mention hints from Alpha testers that if there were a serious problem, we would almost absolutely have heard about it by now. This is not to even mention the initial reveal when people were invited from all over the world to look at the sim, and even skeptics came away impressed.

Any alternative narratives have much less proof supporting them than the copious amounts of freely given info from the developers.

In fact, as someone who actually is in the alpha, I often have to bite my lip on some of the sky-is-falling nonsense posted on here by people who apparently have nothing else to do.

 

Edited June 9, 20206 yr by HiFlyer

5 minutes ago, overspeed3 said:

I'm under the assumption that ASOBO is the development team under the watchful eyes of Microsoft - ya know ,the ones who hired them.  So I don't think MS wants this rather expensive and hyped project to get botched at the starting gate.

It's hard to believe I started-out this little hobby 25 years ago when a co-worker gave me a floppy disc with MSFS Version 1, and later,  Ver. 2.  -  I was totally hooked after that.  Now, I just cannot wait for 2020...   

   

Your assumptions are 100% correct, well said.. I also remember the good old days of floppies to get us introduced to the sim. Myself & a mate used to shop together for the floppies, then those 5' stiffies, CD's & so on.

No need to wait for 2020, we are half way through it already. Almost mid June. 

4 minutes ago, Wobbie said:

Anywhere it was said that they must do it for free?

Then with that established, what is the exact harm when they go above and beyond many other companies in keeping us informed, in saying thankyou?