1 minute ago, Nyxx said:

Please tell me who?

Nyxx - It is your prerogative to stay stuck with a dated flight sim or embrace the future. ..MSFS. Unless PMDG is able to gain penetrance into this new platform, they will become a relict.

6 minutes ago, Huascar said:

Nyxx - It is your prerogative to stay stuck with a dated flight sim or embrace the future. ..MSFS. Unless PMDG is able to gain penetrance into this new platform, they will become a relict.

What!! Really, lol

No, am going to MSFS on day one, you seem to be delusional that the default airliners in MSFS are going to be PMDG standards. Dream on. wake up. There will be nothing like.

PMDG are doing the NG3 for MSFS then you will have a real NG not some toy that looks like an Airbus or 747. Did you not read what Rob said about the MSFS Airbus or does not not register with? Or do you just chose not to read it what is real.

Edited July 16, 20205 yr by Nyxx

You can't have PMDG complexity in a default aircraft.

Imagine this scenario:  You have someone who has never seen a flight simulator before but thinks he might want to try flying an airliner.  He knows very little about aircraft.

If you dump him in a PMDG 737 right away, what is going to happen?

I saw something similar in the FSX:SE forum.  Someone old enough to know better bought the FSL Concorde (I think it was that one) and tried to fly it.  He complained bitterly about things like having to "use a computer" to manage fuel tanks and had no concept whatsoever about step climbing.  He hated it and everything about it and the entire concept of a study level sim.  He eventually found a simpler Concorde, edited the config files to make it easier to fly and loved it.

You'd better give these beginners something they can fly.  If the first aircraft they try is a PMDG 737, it will likely also be the last.

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21 minutes ago, Nyxx said:

No, am going to MSFS on day one, you seem to be delusional that the default airliners in MSFS are going to be PMDG standards. Dream on. wake up. There will be nothing like.

I admire your passion for PMDG. But look,  whether the plane’s flaps go into stress or not, it’s not really relevant for most consumers. The average simmer cares more about visuals than they do about aerodynamics. MSFS 2020 is not FSX, which means that there is enough realism to prevent you from buying third party add-ons. You may take this very seriously, but you are in the absolute minority. Personally, I simply don’t have the time, nor the desire, to conduct a “dark and cold” process, much less interest in doing 10 hour flights. 
 

I owned PMDG back in 2012 and I know my way around it. I can configure the plane to near perfection, but not my interest. I respect anyone whose interests are contrary to mine.

Edited July 16, 20205 yr by Huascar
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10 minutes ago, Huascar said:

 You may take this very seriously, but you are in the absolute minority. 

Wow, ok if you say so. Go read the P3D forums they seem full of "minority" people. I would go so far to said you would be in the "minority" by a country mile.

If you don't care about anything that make it real, you just want a toy that looks good, fine, I get that, but please don't try to convince anyone or yourself that the default airliners ones are anything like a PMDG or a real competitor because your making a fool of yourself. Sorry. FYI a normal flight in an NG or AIrbus A320 is you start on GPU not C&D and a flight is around 1.5-2 hours unless you want to do longer.

Edited July 16, 20205 yr by Nyxx

2 minutes ago, Nyxx said:

If you don't care about anything that make it real, you just want a toy that looks good, fine, I get that, but please don't try to convince anyone or yourself that the default ones are anything like a PMDG because your making a fool of yourself. Sorry.

I am a fool, but at least I don’t go about buying the same plane 3-4 times over while PMDG laughs it’s way to the bank. At least I am a fool retaining my money.

5 minutes ago, Huascar said:

I am a fool, but at least I don’t go about buying the same plane 3-4 times over while PMDG laughs it’s way to the bank. At least I am a fool retaining my money.

4 times, right! I will buy you a JCB just keep digging............please tell me how I could buy the same plane 4 times? nvm keep digging...

Also your going off topic it was you who was trying to say PMDG have real competition with the default Boeing in MSFS. There not, its a fact so don't try and tell people that might not know any better that the default ones are PMDG standard because you miss leading them big time and that's just wrong. 

Explain if you want a great looking toy and you don't care for in depth then yer fly the defaults and save money but don't say PMDG have real competition.

Edited July 16, 20205 yr by Nyxx

I'm quite happy to buy updated versions of aircraft for updated sims.  If A2A makes aircraft for MSFS that I've already bought for FSX and P3D4, I'll buy them again.  Some of these updates have taken considerable work.

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34 minutes ago, Huascar said:

Back to my original post - my argument was simple and reasonable, I hope. Essentially, I compared two sim products by noting that one offers a lot more for your money while the other one does not.

Your original post stated if the planes were just as good why go for the PMDG version.  All we're saying is it depends on who you are.  If you're just looking for a reasonable representation of a 747-8 without much depth then that's probably true.  I'm not sure how P3D is involved either since PMDG has made it clear they're bringing the 747 to MSFS.  Remember you don't know what you don't know.  Where you see a reasonable simulation, others with more experience around a 747-8 will see glaring inaccuracies or omissions.  This isn't anything against the MSFS team, it's simply that they just don't have time to put those details that only a fraction of users would notice when there's other more noticeable things that need their attention.  This has been true of default aircraft in every version of past simulators. PMDG is for people who want to be able to take a deeper dive into an aircraft, so you are clearly not their primary customer. 

1 minute ago, BrianW said:

If you're just looking for a reasonable representation of a 747-8 without much depth then that's probably true. 

Isn’t that exactly what I just stated in my comments? MSFS delivers in a lot and better ways, and for a less amount. 

16 minutes ago, Nyxx said:

Also your going off topic it was you who was trying to say PMDG have real competition with the default Boeing in MSFS. There not, its a fact so don't try and tell people that might not know any better that the default ones are PMDG standard because you miss leading them big time and that's just wrong. 

Explain if you want a great looking toy and you don't care for in depth then yer fly the defaults and save money but don't say PMDG have real competition.

PMDG is a toy, sorry. It doesn’t take long to get it configured and in the air. Anyone can figure it out. If you thought you were flying a real plane, wake up.

4 minutes ago, Huascar said:

PMDG is a toy, sorry. It doesn’t take long to get it configured and in the air. Anyone can figure it out. If you thought you were flying a real plane, wake up.

Anyone can figure it out is that after buying it 4 times, or pretending the default is real competition?

I will now leave you to your delusions. bye bye

Edited July 16, 20205 yr by Nyxx

4 hours ago, AKMGuru said:

The f-18 currently is as fully functional as you can get without the obviously classified systems that can’t be modeled. And it’s yes $80 still a lot less then PMdG models. 

Yeah you're right. It's functional now. It sure wasnt  fully functional when I bought it 1.5 years ago...

 

On 7/14/2020 at 3:26 AM, Huascar said:

If the planes are just as good, no need waste money with this third party software. I can afford the PMDGs, but out of principle I refuse to pay the cost. MSFS is revolutionary and everything about flight simulation will be different. 

Maybe you meant this as a throw away comment. MFS at 119 dollars as you rightly say though is fantastic value for money especially with the streamed imagery, weather rendering and regular updates to navigational data, however don't for one second think you are getting a PDMG level of airplane, all you are doing is setting people up for failure.

 

41 minutes ago, Huascar said:

Isn’t that exactly what I just stated in my comments? MSFS delivers in a lot and better ways, and for a less amount. 

No, you said there's no need for PMDG "if the planes are just as good", and I'm saying that "just as good" depends on who you are and what you know. 

 

28 minutes ago, Huascar said:

It doesn’t take long to get it configured and in the air

Same is true for the real thing. A 747 is a 747, the amount of detail isn't usually going to change the start procedure too much unless it's really simple version.  You can skip quite a few things without consequences in the sim though that you'd never do in the real thing.