I look at PMDG's prices and I keep thinking they're a little low for what they're selling.  I suspect they could be 10% to 15% higher without significantly impacting sales numbers.  If they were only interested in making money, this is what they'd do.

Not everyone understands Price Elasticity and that is OK, but I'm sure PMDG has a good handle on it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_elasticity_of_demand

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20 minutes ago, Nyxx said:

don't know if you're an embarrassment to the US Armed forces,but I just cannot believe you keep embarrassing yourself with every reply you make. Your skin must be U.S Armed Forces thick for sure. 

Keep going because you would not make this stuff up...."cult or dogmatic culture"........lol. 

 

I thought you were done posting? You’re back for some PMDG discussion 

I hope the person who PM'ed you Huascar, has actually served themselves.. I hardly think a few comments about not wanting to pay for an expensive bit of software constitutes being an embarrassment to the entire US military.... I mean perhaps if a serviceman or woman couldn't do the job they were trained to do then they'd be an embarrassment to the Corps.. playing with flight sims is not a prerequisite for a soldier...

Some people have, perhaps in jest, displayed PMDG cultist in their signatures... no smoke without fire LOL!  just saying..

I wanted a decent MD-11 for FSX; I'd played with some freeware.. I was too late for the party for the PMDG MD-11 so I shelled out for Sky Sim's version at 40 quid. Expensive for what you get? Sure, but I wanted a decent VC with decent eye candy externals. I decided it was worth it to me... A shame they botched the animations for the gear doors in the update (works fine in P3D though)  The FMC is lite, but then again whilst I'd like to have a go at programming it, I also don't want to go through a 3 hour preflight.. 

Football (soccer) players in the Premier League in the UK get paid obscenely huge wages.. because the supporters continue to pay money to see them play.. supply and demand... if the fans voted with the wallets then the wages would drop... or the teams would vanish after they all quit LOL!

Let's just go fly whilst we all wait and see what's in store for MSFS and expensive add-ons for it..

 

I suspect it takes a lot of sales to fill the tanks on the corporate DC-3... 😉

1. How much would you pay for a PMDG DC-3?
2. How much would you pay for an A2A DC-3 with Captain of the Ship?

1. Not sure.  Maybe $60.  Depends on reviews.

2. I'd pay $175 without a second thought.  I know I'm not alone.

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Edited July 18, 20205 yr by LHookins

39 minutes ago, HighBypass said:

 

I hope the person who PM'ed you Huascar, has actually served themselves.. I hardly think a few comments about not wanting to pay for an expensive bit of software constitutes being an embarrassment to the entire US military.... I mean perhaps if a serviceman or woman couldn't do the job they were trained to do then they'd be an embarrassment to the Corps.. playing with flight sims is not a prerequisite for a soldier...

Some people have, perhaps in jest, displayed PMDG cultist in their signatures... no smoke without fire LOL!  just saying..

I wanted a decent MD-11 for FSX; I'd played with some freeware.. I was too late for the party for the PMDG MD-11 so I shelled out for Sky Sim's version at 40 quid. Expensive for what you get? Sure, but I wanted a decent VC with decent eye candy externals. I decided it was worth it to me... A shame they botched the animations for the gear doors in the update (works fine in P3D though)  The FMC is lite, but then again whilst I'd like to have a go at programming it, I also don't want to go through a 3 hour preflight.. 

Football (soccer) players in the Premier League in the UK get paid obscenely huge wages.. because the supporters continue to pay money to see them play.. supply and demand... if the fans voted with the wallets then the wages would drop... or the teams would vanish after they all quit LOL!

Let's just go fly whilst we all wait and see what's in store for MSFS and expensive add-ons for it..

 

 

Thanks for the comments, HighBypass. I personally don’t have a problem with those who are willing to pay anything to have what they want. I have not, in any way, attacked them for their purchases, but they feel compelled to criticize those who don’t. 

I have spent hundreds of dollars in add-ons, and own multiple planes including Milviz 350 ($89), Aerosoft A330 ($70),  787 Qualitywing ($89) and many others. They’re all amazing planes to fly and they cost 50% less. I don’t need a PMDG plane at all to enjoy my flight sim experience. 
 

FlyTampa allowed their customers to re-download their products in P3D, for free. I think they should have charged people, though not the full price again. I went ahead and upgraded all my FlyTampa products to the latest version because it’s an amazing company that really cares about its customers. I happily paid the full price as a sign of support. Orbx is also a company that offers amazing discounts. I hope they can survive Microsoft FS 2020.

Edited July 18, 20205 yr by Huascar

A question to the moderators : as this thread has become the personal vendetta of an user against PMDG, shouldn’t it be moved to the PMDG user-to-user forum instead of being on this MS simulator forum ?

Edited July 18, 20205 yr by Dominique_K

On 7/17/2020 at 5:43 AM, Huascar said:

PMDG truly has an army of loyalists here.

I see no 'loyalists' here! We're counter-debating your arguments. 

On 7/17/2020 at 5:43 AM, Huascar said:

They’re not bad planes, just not worth $135, especially if you have to buy them multiple times over, across different sim platforms.

Now - THAT'S your opinion! Whether or not, something is worth a price is highly individual. Personally I find PMDG's (and FSLabs for that matter) pricing quite right, seeing how much value and depth you get. 

On 7/17/2020 at 5:43 AM, Huascar said:

PMDG would be perfectly happy with the release of a new sim every year in order to charge the same customers full price to unlock the same plane. It cost them virtually nothing to migrate their planes to a new platform.

How exactly do you know, how much work PMDG undergoes, to make one of their products work, in a simulator??? Please enlighten me - I'm curious.

Please remember: You have the right to your own opinion - not your own facts!

 

 

 

Edited July 18, 20205 yr by travelabroad

11 minutes ago, travelabroad said:

Now - THAT'S your opinion! Whether or not, something is worth a price is highly individual. Personally I find PMDG's (and FSLabs for that matter) pricing quite right, seeing how much value and depth you get. 

Never claimed it was someone else’s opinion. 

My original comments referenced MSFS 2020 in the context of getting more for your money. Comments still belong in this forum. By your suggestion, I can only conclude you’re trying to censor this post because you disagree with the originator’s comments. I don’t have a vendetta against PMDG, but like any other user, I have the right to express my opinion about a flight simulator product, including the price. You may not like the comments, but that is of no concern to me.

Edited July 18, 20205 yr by Huascar

22 hours ago, Huascar said:

You seem offended and annoyed with my comments, and frankly, don’t really care. But because I am in a good mood, possible solutions for you - you have the options of  skipping  my posts or blocking me altogether. 

And for the none-pilot critics, the sooner you accept that you are not, and never will be, airline  pilots, the better.  I find the the most staunch defenders of PMDG are those who have never set foot in a cockpit.

17 hours ago, Huascar said:

By the way, what has been very shocking about the string of comments above is your fanatic nature. That someone comments on the excessive prices of their products should not lead to passionate debates and insults.  It’s just a game, not a real plane! - and you’re just gamers, not pilots, get over it!

It takes a lot to make me cry - keep trying. 

5 hours ago, Huascar said:

Because they’re obsessed with their little planes. I have be making this point from the start.   In fact, they’re so blinded by their love for PMDG that any criticism of their products or business practices generate incredible passion on their part. The point is that I can only compare this to a cult or dogmatic culture. It is very strange, really.

1 hour ago, Huascar said:

I have not, in any way, attacked them for their purchases, but they feel compelled to criticize those who don’t.

FlyTampa allowed their customers to re-download their products in P3D, for free. I think they should have charged people, though not the full price again.

I was never offended by you or annoyed by anything, apologies if it seemed so. I'm just having a discussion here.

I don't know what the private message was all about, but I don't remember anyone who's 'on the other side' who insulted you or anybody else. However, take a look at some of your posts that I quoted here and tell me they're not personal and borderline insulting. There's a bunch of people in here who don't see things they way you do and are simply making their points, just like you do. Turns out however that apparently we are all fanatics, a cult, blinded by our love and people that can't get over the fact that they are not airline pilots. And why are we being labelled as such? Just because we don't agree and see nothing wrong in this developer's pricing strategy. It's basic economy and it has worked like this for thousands of years.

This post isn't supposed to spark a fight or anything, it's just what this thread is. So, no offense, but given your comments above and the fact you started a thread with a baity title apparently only to stir the pot because you said yourself you don't need or want their products but feel you need to complain about the prices anyway it's quite ironic that you're the one who's feeling unjustly criticized and even insulted.

By the way, PMDG didn't charge for weeks of work to update products to v5 for example while several other developers did. You praise FlyTampa, which is completely right because they are a fantastic developer, but where's the praise now? Where are all the people complaining about FSLab's prices or Leonardo's prices? I rarely ever see any, but as soon as the letters PMDG drop there's always chaos these days and whenever you say something in favor of them you're instantly a word not allowed and get some of the hate yourself.

The toxicity in this community is real.

12 minutes ago, Huascar said:

You may not like the comments, but that is of no concern to me.

Edit: Apparently it's enough of a concern to you to start a thread like this one and then go into defense mode and start to get personal because people disagree.

 

 

Edited July 18, 20205 yr by threegreen
Added last part.

1 hour ago, threegreen said:

Edit: Apparently it's enough of a concern to you to start a thread like this one and then go into defense mode and start to get personal because people disagree.

What was so offensive about my original post? 

As for the adjetives I used to describe your reaction to a mundane post, sorry but that’s how most of you come across. It’s  nothing compared to the adjectives you’ve used to describe me (fool, embarrassment, word not allowed). The good news, at least for me, is that I have a thick skin. I’ve responded because it’s fun. I don’t shy away from a debate.

If there’s one thing I have learned in life, it’s  this - you seldom succeed in changing people’s opinions. It was never my intent to do, but rather share a comparison between two products. 

I think we can all agree on one thing....this thread is rather long already. I suggest we stop the discussion given that minds will not be changed and little is to be gained from the back-and-forth. I bet people are getting very annoyed. 

I wish you all the best, sincerely.
 

 

 

Edited July 18, 20205 yr by Huascar

Yes, "we" are getting "annoyed". Time to shut this thread down before it goes completely off the rails. 😩