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C172: AP tries to kill me

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5 hours ago, goreckm said:

I think there's a bug with active pause, it messes with the avionics. Try using the pause to menu, it usually works better.

With active pause, you can buildup some slingshot potential energy and then launch into the sky when unpausing the sim! Point plane down, active pause, plane goes crazy, unpause and pull yoke back. Winning!

Note: active pause feature is for test pilot use only. 🙂

 

Oz

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Currently flying: MSFS: PMDG 737-700, Fenix A320, Leonardo MD-82, MIlviz C310, Flysimware C414AW, DC Concorde, Carenado C337. Prepar3d v5: PMDG 737/747/777.

"There are three simple rules for making a smooth landing. Unfortunately, no one knows what they are."

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5 hours ago, sd_flyer said:

I tell you the truth I used AP in real 172R once. And it scare sh@t out of me as well! 🙂

I remember reading that the Asobo devs all took flight lessons. I like to think they learned in a 172R with pretty much the worst autopilot ever and - figuring this was normal - modelled this behaviour in the sim, including the airliners. 🙂

 

Oz

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Sim Rig: MSI RTX3090 Suprim, an old, partly-melted Intel 9900K @ 5GHz+, Honeycomb Alpha, Thrustmaster TPR Rudder, Warthog HOTAS, Reverb G2, Prosim 737 cockpit. 

Currently flying: MSFS: PMDG 737-700, Fenix A320, Leonardo MD-82, MIlviz C310, Flysimware C414AW, DC Concorde, Carenado C337. Prepar3d v5: PMDG 737/747/777.

"There are three simple rules for making a smooth landing. Unfortunately, no one knows what they are."

7 minutes ago, OzWhitey said:

I remember reading that the Asobo devs all took flight lessons. I like to think they learned in a 172R with pretty much the worst autopilot ever and - figuring this was normal - modelled this behaviour in the sim, including the airliners. 🙂

 

According to Asobo they got access to nearly all aircraft they modeled. Now, did they fly them? I don't know!

 But in  any case any  3rd party high end AP can be installed on 172 long as certified. No need opt for factory options!

By the way I used 172R for my CFI initial exam (along with Mooney M20J).  That is long before FAA PTS became ACS. So, a  part of the deal was to know all systems and among other IFR certified AP. The only time I used autopilots before was during ferry flights (long haul.) That is the most useful usage of them! But this case I've was demoed how to setup ILS approach and use it in IMC. During approach my CFI was spanked my hands every time I tried to reach for yoke! LOL I just had to seat and suffer watching rough airplane control by dumb AI! LOL

Life time flight sim enthusiast, current airplane owner 172P (past C182F). FAA CP/IR ASEL/AMEL, FI ASEL

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VR Flight Sim Guy had the AP go barmy while livestreaming on Youtube earlier today.

Made me think twice about shelling out on MSFS2020.

Reading the threads here tells me there is much work to be done.

I have a HP Reverb G2 on pre-order. Will wait for VR capability to be released. Then assess the situation then.

Continue on XP11 until then.

 

Cheers.

I’m now on the steam edition and the issue Id been experiencing has gone away - seems to be game pass related - for me at least. All looking good now & I’m on a breathtaking sunset flight down the french coast 🙂

I had the same thing happen to me while flying on autopilot in the Baron 58. Out of nowhere, the plane takes a sharp dive and roll to the left. The next flight, I didn't have any issues. So, must be an occasional bug.

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3 minutes ago, N9718 said:

I had the same thing happen to me while flying on autopilot in the Baron 58. Out of nowhere, the plane takes a sharp dive and roll to the left. The next flight, I didn't have any issues. So, must be an occasional bug.

Check to see if autopilot disconnect bind to your hardware by default. I had to delete all  default assignments and reassign  to my own manually. MSFS allows to have double assignment for the same key which may create a conflict! They should really delete previous assignment if you choose new one for the same key or axis

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7GCAA, 8KCAB, BE24, BE76, BE35-C33, BE35, C150, C152, C172B/N/P/R/SP, 182F, M20E,M20C, M20J, AT6(SNJ4), PA28-140,PA28-151, PA28-161,PA28-181,PA28RT-201,PA28R-180/201T, PA24-250, PA32-300R, PA44, AC114, YAK-18T, YAK-52, SR22

 

I've been doing some tests in the 172 classic and it's for sure has to do with conflicting keys.

go into settings and search for "master" for the auto pilot and see if you have multiple assignment. I just have the keyboard Z and it seems fine so far.

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1 hour ago, FPStewy said:

I've been doing some tests in the 172 classic and it's for sure has to do with conflicting keys.

go into settings and search for "master" for the auto pilot and see if you have multiple assignment. I just have the keyboard Z and it seems fine so far.

I  believe that was the issue. I mapped Num4 to Reset Cockpit View (to match my Xplane Keyboard). Num4 was also mapped to aileron left (roll left).

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3 hours ago, sd_flyer said:

AP works fine for smaller GA aircraft. I have no problem whatsoever. Most trouble are with bigger jets 

I have found that, I have to remember that these systems are not fully functional like say a RealityRP GNS 530 like i have in P3D V5. If i create a flight plan on the "world screen" and start my flight , it works. The auto pilot will follow my gps, I can not "ARM" the A/P alt. but can set it and fly it.

Now,

If during the flight, I decide to change my destination and i go to the aircraft Panel GPS in the 172 non glass, and select "DIR" and input put the information for my new destination, Then select "ENT" for the input then "ENT" again  to activate it. It will not do it. it will not "Activate" my new flight plan. It's like the "ENT" button does not work. you can point to it and click it, it moves but does nothing. So there is something happening with the avionics within the aircraft.

other than that, at the moment i am liking the sim, 

Ed

Ed

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did a full flight

39 minutes ago, N9718 said:

I  believe that was the issue. I mapped Num4 to Reset Cockpit View (to match my Xplane Keyboard). Num4 was also mapped to aileron left (roll left).

just did a full flight in the 172 G1000 and no issues now with the AP

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34 minutes ago, Ed_S_Pilot said:

I have found that, I have to remember that these systems are not fully functional like say a RealityRP GNS 530 like i have in P3D V5. If i create a flight plan on the "world screen" and start my flight , it works. The auto pilot will follow my gps, I can not "ARM" the A/P alt. but can set it and fly it.

Now,

If during the flight, I decide to change my destination and i go to the aircraft Panel GPS in the 172 non glass, and select "DIR" and input put the information for my new destination, Then select "ENT" for the input then "ENT" again  to activate it. It will not do it. it will not "Activate" my new flight plan. It's like the "ENT" button does not work. you can point to it and click it, it moves but does nothing. So there is something happening with the avionics within the aircraft.

other than that, at the moment i am liking the sim, 

Ed

Some airplane my have issue with that and some don't. I tried several with Direct To working fine. In other messing up the whole flight plan.

Life time flight sim enthusiast, current airplane owner 172P (past C182F). FAA CP/IR ASEL/AMEL, FI ASEL

My System: AMD Ryzen 9 9950X3D , MSI X870 GAMING PLUS, 64G RAM, ASUS RTX5090, 4T SSD

Put my hands on (pic/dual/given)

7GCAA, 8KCAB, BE24, BE76, BE35-C33, BE35, C150, C152, C172B/N/P/R/SP, 182F, M20E,M20C, M20J, AT6(SNJ4), PA28-140,PA28-151, PA28-161,PA28-181,PA28RT-201,PA28R-180/201T, PA24-250, PA32-300R, PA44, AC114, YAK-18T, YAK-52, SR22

 

I just had a flight in the Cirrus SR22. Autopilot was fine until I added the PROCedure. The keypad doesn't function at all. I attempted to input a VNAV altitude and pressing ENTER erases the entry, every time. Also, when the procedure was set active the waypoint flipped in reverse and the plane immediately attempted a turn. At that point I just disconnected the AP and hand flew her to base, There is a lot to be desired when it comes to the radios in this sim too. You can enter ATIS frequencies which do nothing until you use the pick list.

Regards,

Pivot

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1 hour ago, Pivot said:

I just had a flight in the Cirrus SR22. Autopilot was fine until I added the PROCedure. The keypad doesn't function at all. I attempted to input a VNAV altitude and pressing ENTER erases the entry, every time. Also, when the procedure was set active the waypoint flipped in reverse and the plane immediately attempted a turn. At that point I just disconnected the AP and hand flew her to base, There is a lot to be desired when it comes to the radios in this sim too. You can enter ATIS frequencies which do nothing until you use the pick list.

Have you or anybody been getting interrupted ATC calls? A hit of static and then you get, "Did you get my last transmission"? Maybe its supposed to be realistic? Not sure..... Asking for a friend..... LOL

Ed

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