August 25, 20205 yr Commercial Member 7 minutes ago, w6kd said: I don't see anything mentioned in the documentation about the position transducers in this quadrant. Hall Effect sensors are really the gold standard these days. Bob, No argument from me about the quality of HE sensors, though of course there are even higher quality sensors available. That said, when you use components such as HE sensors you drive the cost up substantially and as you know it's far more than just the cost of the components. Adding hall effect sensors can double the price of a product like the Bravo TC, and while there is a market for a $500 or great TC, it's not nearly as large as the market for a TC at half the cost. And there we have it, the goal with the Honeycomb products is to provide superior hardware at a cost which is affordable for the broadest customer group. I can't say that the mark was hit until I've been hands on and completed my research, but if everything I've been told is correct this is one HECK of a piece of hardware for an incredible $250. This is a very smart decision on the part of Honeycomb and something that my company has been doing for the past 15 years with our Airbus line. I would also say that use wise the vast majority of flight simmers are absolutely fine with high quality pots as opposed to hall effect sensors and would appreciate the price break, it's certainly been perfectly fine for me! Speaking about prices in the flight sim world, I'd like to share something. It was over 15 years ago that I spoke with more than a few developers about what I saw as a shocking escalation in flight sim product pricing. I tried to convince them that reducing prices would result in selling more products and overall increasing their profits. Well, none of them did so and prices continued to increase to the point where some companies charge as much as $169 for a single aircraft! That's INSANE, especially when you consider the cost of the underlying flight sim. One company I didn't speak to was Aerosoft, but the Aerosoft CEO hails from the financial business sector and came to the same conclusion that I did about product pricing - and that told me three things about them. They are smart people, they think things through, and they care about their customers and the flight sim community and where that is concerned they put their money where their mouth was and proved it. Wow, a company that actually proves they care about us! Brother, that's what attracted me to Aerosoft and through their decisions and actions they've done nothing but reinforce my first impression of them. Why did I share this? Because there is a very special relationship between Honeycomb and our company, and Honeycomb is doing the same thing that we did. I hope you are well my friend, always a pleasure! Dave Dave Hodges System Specs: I9-13900KF, NVIDIA 4070TI, Quest 3, Multiple Displays, Lots of TERRIFIC friends, 3 cats, and a wonderfully stubborn wife.
August 25, 20205 yr 49 minutes ago, DaveCT2003 said: No argument from me about the quality of HE sensors, though of course there are even higher quality sensors available. That said, when you use components such as HE sensors you drive the cost up substantially and as you know it's far more than just the cost of the components. Adding hall effect sensors can double the price of a product like the Bravo TC, and while there is a market for a $500 or great TC, it's not nearly as large as the market for a TC at half the cost. No, the Allegro A132x series HE sensors I used in the retrofit of my PFC quadrant sell for $2 each today at Digikey.com, $1.08 each in lots of 100. The new Thrustmaster airbus throttles are using HE sensors, as does their very affordable consumer-grade T.16000M stick. I have to disagree that use of the better technology must, by necessity, drive up costs significantly. We just haven't been vocal enough in demanding the change. Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V Sys1 (MSFS20+24/XPlane12+11): AMD 9800X3D, water 2x240mm, MSI MPG X670E Carbon, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, nVidia RTX4090FE Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, 2x4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2x2TB Samsung 990 SSD, EVGA 1000P2 PSU, 12.9" iPad Pro Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, Twin TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case Sys2 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090 Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@60Hz, 3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box Sys3 (DCS/P3Dv4/ATS/ETS): AMD 7800X3D, MSI MPG X870E Carbon, Noctua NH-D15S, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, EVGA RTX3090 Alienware AW3420DW 34" 21:9 GSync, Corsair HX1000i PSU, 4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2TB Samsung 970Evo Plus, TM TCA Officer Pack, Saitek combat pedals, TM Warthog, TM RS300 FF wheel/pedals, Coolermaster HAF XB case
September 1, 20205 yr Just pre-ordered the throttle in Canada from avworld.ca, looking forward to your review. Any word when you will have it up? Thanks.
September 1, 20205 yr Can anyone (Dave?) verify that the quadrant has physical detents on the throttles? I don't see this mentioned and would miss this quite a bit from my CH throttle quadrant. i7 8700K @4Ghz, EVGA RTX3080 Ultra, 32GB RAM, Two 2K displays. Alpha Yoke, Bravo Throttle Quadrant, CH Pedals.
September 1, 20205 yr Looks like the pre-order had an issue. At 1pm I tried to pre-order it, got it into my cart and tried to checkout at which point I was told it was sold out. Now it's back to pre-order, "Coming Soon" status. Oops. Looks like someone didn't realize the cart software was tied to actual inventory. Edited September 1, 20205 yr by Agrajag i7 8700K @4Ghz, EVGA RTX3080 Ultra, 32GB RAM, Two 2K displays. Alpha Yoke, Bravo Throttle Quadrant, CH Pedals.
September 1, 20205 yr 3 minutes ago, Agrajag said: Looks like the pre-order had an issue. At 1pm I tried to pre-order it, got it into my cart and tried to checkout at which point I was told it was sold out. Now it's back to pre-order, "Coming Soon" status. Oops. Looks like someone didn't realize the cart software was tied to actual inventory. I was able to complete an order. I doubt they sold out that quick so it's got to be a glitch. / CPU: Intel i7-9700K @4.9 / RAM: 32GB G.Skill 3200 / GPU: RTX 4080 16GB / Freight Pilot
September 1, 20205 yr Just now, pvupilot said: I was able to complete an order. I doubt they sold out that quick so it's got to be a glitch. I got it into the cart, after about a 5-second delay, went to pay. Put in card info and then just got red text saying it was sold out. bummer. E-mailing support. The fact that the front page is back to Coming Soon is telling. i7 8700K @4Ghz, EVGA RTX3080 Ultra, 32GB RAM, Two 2K displays. Alpha Yoke, Bravo Throttle Quadrant, CH Pedals.
September 1, 20205 yr Another data point - put it right in my cart at 4pm and at 4:02 it was sold out. Either heavily botted, low starting inventory or some bug. Back to checking the website daily just like the yoke order.
September 1, 20205 yr 5 minutes ago, Agrajag said: I got it into the cart, after about a 5-second delay, went to pay. Put in card info and then just got red text saying it was sold out. bummer. E-mailing support. The fact that the front page is back to Coming Soon is telling. I have a buddy who had the same thing happen. Not sure what's going on or how I got lucky enough to squeek in. But I'm sure it's gotta be a glitch. Looks like it updated to "Sold out" next to the pre order. Edited September 1, 20205 yr by pvupilot / CPU: Intel i7-9700K @4.9 / RAM: 32GB G.Skill 3200 / GPU: RTX 4080 16GB / Freight Pilot
September 1, 20205 yr 7 minutes ago, pvupilot said: I have a buddy who had the same thing happen. Not sure what's going on or how I got lucky enough to squeek in. But I'm sure it's gotta be a glitch. Thanks. Much appreciated. Just wish they'd update the page so we know what's going on. heheh I want this as badly as i wanted FS2020. It's now showing as Sold Out on the webpage. You've gotta be kidding. I was on that at 4pm on the NOSE. Ugh. Edited September 1, 20205 yr by Agrajag i7 8700K @4Ghz, EVGA RTX3080 Ultra, 32GB RAM, Two 2K displays. Alpha Yoke, Bravo Throttle Quadrant, CH Pedals.
September 1, 20205 yr Crazy gone in less than five minutes! Can it be as hot as an iPhone??? I'm thinking something is a little strange. E-Bay has at least a hundred of them listed for $500+. Edited September 1, 20205 yr by tpete61
September 1, 20205 yr 6 minutes ago, tpete61 said: Crazy gone in less than five minutes! Can it be as hot as an iPhone??? I'm thinking something is a little strange. It was gone in less than a minute. Like I said, I was in there at 4pm the MOMENT it went live. Not even 4:01 and had it in my cart before the minute was out. Had the card info in by the end of that minute and bang... Gone. i7 8700K @4Ghz, EVGA RTX3080 Ultra, 32GB RAM, Two 2K displays. Alpha Yoke, Bravo Throttle Quadrant, CH Pedals.
September 1, 20205 yr Just now, Agrajag said: It was gone in less than a minute. Like I said, I was in there at 4pm the MOMENT it went live. Not even 4:01 and had it in my cart before the minute was out. Had the card info in by the end of that minute and bang... Gone. They are already listed on E-Bay. Apparently you could purchase more than one.
September 1, 20205 yr 4 minutes ago, tpete61 said: They are already listed on E-Bay. Apparently you could purchase more than one. Well, I won't forget this screw-up for a while. How could they not limit the sales to at most two? Who needs 20 of these except to make more than they do on them???? Honeycomb just didn't think this through. i7 8700K @4Ghz, EVGA RTX3080 Ultra, 32GB RAM, Two 2K displays. Alpha Yoke, Bravo Throttle Quadrant, CH Pedals.
September 1, 20205 yr The Honeycomb Yoke if I recall was not in short supply for long after the initial release. Maybe a month or two. I would never overpay by going to E-Bay. It's just plain capitalism, not much we can do about it.
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