3 minutes ago, canuk_22 said:

IMO FS2020 was expedited, corners were cut, but surely has generated lot's of revenue. 

Its likely a case of get it out now and finish it later but thats normal.
A few other things such as FSX having all the fun little extra scenarios and missions whereas this one just has a few minutes of "land in this famous place", basic aircraft rushing such as some planes looking nice but lacking stuff like working DMEs.
No tutorials other than a basic how to operate the basic cessna.  Nothing on the level of previous games.

No checklist or even plane performance pages to actually fly them.  No EFB as such.

I like it but its certainly unfinished - the ATC for me just spoils any immersion. Flying around the deserts of Africa or mountains of Europe and getting bugged by american airspace layouts, units and woeful RT procedure!

The only real problem I‘ve had with ATC so far is that it sometimes doesn‘t coordinate the descent very well (I mainly fly the A320). Often, it instructs you to descend much too late and it‘s impossible to be at the correct altitude for the ILS glide slope. The alternative is to ignore ATC and start the descent earlier, which results in ATC constantly shouting at you that you‘re below your assigned altitude. I guess ATC‘s inability to reevaluate a descent once you’re below your assigned altitude is also the reason why 50% of the communication between the ATC and other aircraft is about wrong altitude, which is rather annoying.

Another issue I‘m having is that the option to tune in ATIS appears very late (a few miles before touchdown). I know that it can be tuned in manually but it would be nice to do that via the menu because often the frequencies I have don‘t seem to work. 

Other than that I think it‘s not too bad. Personally I don‘t need Vatsim realism, so when these things get fixed it‘ll be fine for me.

Edited September 5, 20205 yr by Shack95

I just flew the stock CJ4: KTPA to KDAL, BAYPO SID, cleared to 8000 ft., stepped up to FL180, then FL360, then to cruise FL440, then stepped down to FL320, then FL260, then FL200, then FL140, then assigned RNAV Y 31L, then 4000’, then 2500’, then to ILS capture and autopilot to 1000 AGL and hand flown to a landing. No issues with ATC.

23 hours ago, ShawnG said:

Is this an airport where there is a star available?

Lack of approach vectors happens for both STAR available airports and those without.  Not sure if you have FSX for P3D but do an IFR route and see how ATC handles your approach in.  From there you'll get what we are talking about.

4 hours ago, Dillon said:

Lack of approach vectors happens for both STAR available airports and those without.  Not sure if you have FSX for P3D but do an IFR route and see how ATC handles your approach in.  From there you'll get what we are talking about.

I have it, and I remember.  My question was whether you were trying to access an airport that had a STAR available, without using a STAR.  If you were on the STAR, you would have been fine.  My theory is that fsx atc was better if you don’t have a real flight plan, so I’m trying to find out what the circumstances of your flights were.  It seems like you guys are flying with a basic one airport to another airport direct gps plan, yes?  Whereas I have a full flight plan with sids and stars loaded.  It seems to work very well controlling flights that have a real plan.

in fsx/p3d there were no sids or stars, and the atc basically threw your plan out if you had one, and just vectored you all over the place.  It worked, kinda, but it it was really annoying, and I did not consider it a strength.  On the flip side, if all you gave it was a destination airport, it at least got you there.  I think the new ATC is immeasurably better for airliner type flying, since it lets your plan alone.   Before, you could never touch your lnav and vnav mode, because you were always on HDG and alt reacting to a crazed marionette  puppet master in the control tower.  I’m not sorry to see that go.  Anyway, that’s my theory.  I’m going to fly a few flights wrong without plans to see what it does.

 

edit: flew PANC-PAFA in the Caravan with just a direct plan.  it definitely forgot to give me altitude step downs, did assign me an approach procedure 50 nm out which let me land.  I just let the ATC yell at me while I descended to the correct altitude for the first fix on the plate, then it assigned that altitude to me a few nm from the fix.  I'm going to fly the same flight, but properly planned with airways, SID and STAR.  willing to bet it goes off without a hitch.  I'm also thinking of playing around with using the artificial AI planes rather than the live track, to see if that changes atc behavior.

Edited September 6, 20205 yr by ShawnG

A few days ago i flew from Prag to somewehre in Italy( dont know the exact location now) and i flew IFR.

The view was zero and the ATC directed me straight into an austrian mountain (CRASH!)

9 hours ago, ShawnG said:

I have it, and I remember.  My question was whether you were trying to access an airport that had a STAR available, without using a STAR.  If you were on the STAR, you would have been fine.  My theory is that fsx atc was better if you don’t have a real flight plan, so I’m trying to find out what the circumstances of your flights were.  It seems like you guys are flying with a basic one airport to another airport direct gps plan, yes?  Whereas I have a full flight plan with sids and stars loaded.  It seems to work very well controlling flights that have a real plan.

in fsx/p3d there were no sids or stars, and the atc basically threw your plan out if you had one, and just vectored you all over the place.  It worked, kinda, but it it was really annoying, and I did not consider it a strength.  On the flip side, if all you gave it was a destination airport, it at least got you there.  I think the new ATC is immeasurably better for airliner type flying, since it lets your plan alone.   Before, you could never touch your lnav and vnav mode, because you were always on HDG and alt reacting to a crazed marionette  puppet master in the control tower.  I’m not sorry to see that go.  Anyway, that’s my theory.  I’m going to fly a few flights wrong without plans to see what it does.

 

edit: flew PANC-PAFA in the Caravan with just a direct plan.  it definitely forgot to give me altitude step downs, did assign me an approach procedure 50 nm out which let me land.  I just let the ATC yell at me while I descended to the correct altitude for the first fix on the plate, then it assigned that altitude to me a few nm from the fix.  I'm going to fly the same flight, but properly planned with airways, SID and STAR.  willing to bet it goes off without a hitch.  I'm also thinking of playing around with using the artificial AI planes rather than the live track, to see if that changes atc behavior.

I think this is what’s happening. All my successful ATC flights started with a flight plan set up prior to entering the aircraft and selecting a SID and leaving the STAR on automatic to let ATC select runway and STAR to assign and it works flawlessly.

Maybe the key is giving up a little control to...err... air traffic control?

On 8/25/2020 at 12:33 AM, Kilo60 said:

I personally liked the old FSX/P3D style, semi-translucent, ATC window much better!

Right now, I have to agree. FSX is better overall as far as just about everything except the graphics. So much for blowing $70 on the 2020 and another couple hundred on a GPU to run the dang thing. 

On 8/24/2020 at 6:02 PM, Dillon said:

Time for another support ticket.  Everyone including myself has been so busy flying around looking at scenery no one has done a true IFR flight.  I just struggled through a CJ4 flight with an autopilot that struggled to maintain climb angle only to find when I got to my destination ATC just vectored me past the runway and never vectored me back to the airfield.  This was a visual approach not even IFR.

 Not one flight sim on the market does ATC properly.   The programming to make it right must be very complex and low priority for every sim over the last 30 years.

I am back to FS after many years FSX and pre FSX, but I used to use Radar Contact which for me was excellent, I have been a number of years away so I am not sure what happened to this program. I am back using FS2020 but for ATC I ignore completely, for each flight when I try to fly the STAR will give me descent too late, at one point ATC kept insisting that I should be at 30,000ft when the plates says 6000ft  so I follow the plates.  Also I find it very weird that for many airports  ATIS will not be available, at least not early enough. I mostly fly Europe and the flights I am doing are around Italy main airports.

Edited November 4, 20205 yr by stems