FWIW I've done 3 full a320 airliner flights in between scenery gawking.  I've used the ATC each time.  these were to airports with SIDs and STARs the plans were authored in the in game flight planner, the planner recommended the departures and arrivals. (also over land)  The ATC gave me altitude clearances along the route, and assigned me an approach and transition during the arrival phase.  I activated these in the CDU, flew the approaches as designed, and landed.  zero drama on any of the three.  I'm trying to understand the issue.  are you guys using airports without arrival and departure procedures? are you loading the procedures before the flight? On none of those flights was I given vectors, but also they weren't necessary, since the procedures were in place.  are the procedures all loadable and flyable in the bizjets?

17 minutes ago, ShawnG said:

FWIW I've done 3 full a320 airliner flights in between scenery gawking.  I've used the ATC each time.  these were to airports with SIDs and STARs the plans were authored in the in game flight planner, the planner recommended the departures and arrivals. (also over land)  The ATC gave me altitude clearances along the route, and assigned me an approach and transition during the arrival phase.  I activated these in the CDU, flew the approaches as designed, and landed.  zero drama on any of the three.  I'm trying to understand the issue.  are you guys using airports without arrival and departure procedures? are you loading the procedures before the flight? On none of those flights was I given vectors, but also they weren't necessary, since the procedures were in place.  are the procedures all loadable and flyable in the bizjets?

Sorry wrong thread with my before edited post.  ATC on my end is not stepping me down like was the case in other versions of FS.  I could see if I chose a STAR but for direct approach to the runway ATC should step me down in altitude and vector me on a heading that will intercept the ILS or where I'm within visual range.  ATC stops all direction once I'm below 20,000ft. It will tell me to decend from 20,000ft to 2,800ft for the final approach altitude which is crazy if I'm at 18,000ft. 

Edited September 5, 20205 yr by Dillon

2 minutes ago, Dillon said:

Try the same flight with the Longitude and see if you get a CTD.

Is your problem ctd or is it with atc not working?

5 minutes ago, ShawnG said:

Is your problem ctd or is it with atc not working?

Both, I amended my comment above as I got my threads mixed up. Two browser pages open on my end looking at different forums.

Edited September 5, 20205 yr by Dillon

9 minutes ago, Dillon said:

Sorry wrong thread with my before edited post.  ATC on my end is not stepping me down like was the case in other versions of FS.  I could see if I chose a STAR but for direct approach to the runway ATC should step me down in altitude and vector me on a heading that will intercept the ILS or where I'm within visual range.  ATC stops all direction once I'm below 20,000ft. It will tell me to decend from 20,000ft to 2,800ft for the final approach altitude which is crazy if I'm at 18,000ft. 

Is this an airport where there is a star available?

ATC has just stopped working for some reason altogether. bummer.

4 hours ago, Keto Ketchup said:

I had my first bad experience with ATC tonight. It kept telling me to "go around" right as I was lined up to land. I went around and made a second approach, and same thing. Is this a bug, or was I doing something wrong that ATC didn't like? Perhaps I was coming in too fast or too low or something, but I've not had ATC ever tell me this before on approach. Oh, and I didn't see any traffic on the runway that would normally cause a go around order. In fact, I ignored ATC on second try and just landed. They didn't like it, but I was tired of going in circles for no apparent reason.

Twice at KSAV when taxing to parking after landing, ATC had me hold short for an eternity. The second time I had LNM running and could see a plane on the map slowly spinning on a taxiway across the runway from me. I just assumed something was shorted out and after waiting for about 20mins. decide to taxi on without ok from ATC.

Opps, double post.

Edited September 5, 20205 yr by Phantoms
Double post

Has anyone tried using AI to fly the plane with ATC controlling?  Seems to work sometimes, and in others flies the thing right into the ground....

4 hours ago, Dillon said:

Sorry wrong thread with my before edited post.  ATC on my end is not stepping me down like was the case in other versions of FS.  I could see if I chose a STAR but for direct approach to the runway ATC should step me down in altitude and vector me on a heading that will intercept the ILS or where I'm within visual range.  ATC stops all direction once I'm below 20,000ft. It will tell me to decend from 20,000ft to 2,800ft for the final approach altitude which is crazy if I'm at 18,000ft. 

I think atc not vectoring you anymore is a huge improvement over P3D - no more crazy turn this way, turn that way. I agree, the altitude directions are a bit hit and miss. Try selecting your runway and approach before you depart and see if that helps. 

4 hours ago, ShawnG said:

FWIW I've done 3 full a320 airliner flights in between scenery gawking.  I've used the ATC each time.  these were to airports with SIDs and STARs the plans were authored in the in game flight planner, the planner recommended the departures and arrivals. (also over land)  The ATC gave me altitude clearances along the route, and assigned me an approach and transition during the arrival phase.  I activated these in the CDU, flew the approaches as designed, and landed.  zero drama on any of the three.  I'm trying to understand the issue.  are you guys using airports without arrival and departure procedures? are you loading the procedures before the flight? On none of those flights was I given vectors, but also they weren't necessary, since the procedures were in place.  are the procedures all loadable and flyable in the bizjets?

Well so far I’ve been 10 out of 10 failures for “vectors to visual” have to revert to canceling ifr and going to vfr at least Flight following. 

12 hours ago, Dillon said:

Guys, please fly an across state route and not local.  Something like IFR from KISM to KTEB.  Maybe the short GA routes are working but long/medium range flights in the Longitude or CJ4 is the issue.  ATC gives no vectors to the ILS or runway.  Your cleared for the runway at 20,000ft and also cleared from 20,000ft to 2,800ft with no further guidance.  The goal of implementing SID/STAR approaches broke the basic ATC engine.  

Not sure i understand that bit.  You wouldnt expect vectors if cleared for a SID/STAR or some sort of procedural approach although you would expect descent clearances, usually in steps.

ATC should only be giving vectors if specifically asked.

Although every time i hear "Descend and maintain 1 2 thousand feet on altmeter xxxx" i want to put a fist through the screen.  Screw you, im going to FL120 on standard pressure.  Im not in america!

 

20 minutes ago, gnirtS said:

Although every time i hear "Descend and maintain 1 2 thousand feet on altmeter xxxx" i want to put a fist through the screen.  Screw you, im going to FL120 on standard pressure.  Im not in america!

 

We have to ask ourselves, how the heck something like this could be missed. We had it in FS9 and X

Edited September 5, 20205 yr by canuk_22

2 minutes ago, canuk_22 said:

We have to ask ourselves, how the heck something like this could be missed. We had it in FS9 and X

Its just lazy.  Presumably they never asked a single pilot or controller outside the US (or maybe FS9 didnt have the capacity to do anything else).  2020 ATC is almost a direct copy/paste of earlier versions.  They've done nearly no work on it at all.  The atrocious lack of ICAO phraseology is still present too (but at least thats accurate for US based atc...)

IIRC even FSX had QNH as an option though!

1 minute ago, gnirtS said:

Its just lazy.  Presumably they never asked a single pilot or controller outside the US (or maybe FS9 didnt have the capacity to do anything else).  2020 ATC is almost a direct copy/paste of earlier versions.  They've done nearly no work on it at all.  The atrocious lack of ICAO phraseology is still present too (but at least thats accurate for US based atc...)

IIRC even FSX had QNH as an option though!

IMO FS2020 was expedited, corners were cut, but surely has generated lot's of revenue.