Hello,

Flying the TBM and King Air today i have a feeling of a constant turbulence or wind movement effect. The Plane is constantly shaking left and right and there basically no smooth flying.

We all know the moment when you break out of the clouds on top and you are in smooth air immediately. Havent had this in the sim till today. There's alway movement in the plane.

Is this a known Bug/issue or am i missing something here?

Best regards

I've had smooth flight and turbulences, more on the side of not enough turbulences when not flying above hills\ mountains

I noticed the same strange behavior everywhere outside Europe. Seems the live weather only works in Europe. 

1 minute ago, daniel_schm said:

I noticed the same strange behavior everywhere outside Europe. Seems the live weather only works in Europe. 

Thing is...i am in Europe 😛

What you are describing is the baked-in oscillation effect that is super-imposed on everything, no matter the weather or the aircraft. It is a global effect. There have been quite a few discussions already on this. Some think it is fine. I think it is fake, artificial, annoying and unnecessary.

26 minutes ago, robert young said:

What you are describing is the baked-in oscillation effect that is super-imposed on everything, no matter the weather or the aircraft. It is a global effect. There have been quite a few discussions already on this. Some think it is fine. I think it is fake, artificial, annoying and unnecessary.

Yep, the OP should search for "turbulence" in this sub-forum.

I think it's fake, artificial, annoying and unnecessary too. At least the way it's implemented, which seems to be an artificial method to keep the sim from felling like it's "on rails" regardless of whether the existing weather would cause turbulence.

FWIW, it seems to me that the sim might be throwing a random number to determine how strong the effect is.

I was doing some flying yesterday in parts of Costa Rica where I had been on real life flights in a light Cessna many years ago. On a flight along the lower west coast, I was surprised to have no turbulence at all. It was dead smooth. Immediately after that on another flight along the Costa Rican east coast the turbulence was back at a medium level. I've felt it stronger than that in some areas.

All of this was with the same weather preset with winds set to zero and clear or scattered cloud skies. The fact that turbulence is so variable with the same weather preset is a good indication that it's a baked-in effect, disconnected from actual weather. And apparently with a random element.

Asobo needs to fix this, it's "gamey" and annoying.

 

 

8 minutes ago, Paraffin said:

Yep, the OP should search for "turbulence" in this sub-forum.

I think it's fake, artificial, annoying and unnecessary too. 

FWIW, it seems to me that the sim might be throwing a random number to determine how strong the effect is.

I think there are three levels of turbulence:

1) The fake and permanent oscillations. I get this everywhere, no matter the landscape or weather.

2) Possibly landscape related extra turbulence or oscillations (which to me feel almost as fake as 1)

3) Actual weather related turbulence

I'm not altogether sure there is any specific cloud based turbulence or even thermal turbulence. All I do know is that all of it feels a bit fake and not related to what I felt when I was flying or gliding. I realise it is a difficult thing to achieve, but superimposing an obviously baked in fake oscillation is not the answer.

It's the kind of thing that requires extremely sensitive and very careful fine tuning to make it convincing, otherwise it is so obviously not natural.

Edited August 30, 20205 yr by robert young

If I take 100% of flying over the span of a year, about 85 perecet of flying is in turbulent air! In my area (Southern California) there are many reasons for turbulence: cumulus clouds, mountain, ground friction, windy condition, thermals, or CAT. And unfortunately there are no settings to tweak to change it other than just  to deal with real life 🙂

But within turbulence there are often areas were we can find smoother air. if for example if there it turbulence inland we usually find refuge flying over water and vise versa ! Sometime smoother air can be found at different altitude or even rescheduling flight for a different time of day (especially in a summer)

c172 @7500 in South Africa with 11kt out of the south and it's bumpy but not real bad just a few ups and downs

Edited August 30, 20205 yr by SirDan

Something I think I've discovered: I've seen turbulence is simulated between wind layers when the vector/direction is different. For example, when surface wind is 180 @5 and at 3000 the wind is 220 @ 15, I found constant, annoying turbulence (ha, just like real-life :)) when flying near the 2 zones.

What would be really useful, to me, is a means of seeing what real-time weather is within the simulator. The best you can get is ATIS broadcasts in your area, but that doesn't really mean much when airborne.

Sometimes, I have experienced completely smooth air with real-time weather. I don't know what the reported weather was, in this instance, since there's no way to find out.

Watched an Aviation101 clip on youtube where he is flying a 172 IFR in a 20kt wind, yes it was bumpy but the plane stable all the time. flying the Baron in MSFS 2020 in a 5kt wind looks like I am flying through a hurricane in comparison. rocking from side to side all the time and massive changes in vertical speed and that is not even inside any clouds. I am not a pilot but often flew as a passenger in GA planes and to me the current dynamics are way off.

Edited September 1, 20205 yr by pinepix62

On 8/31/2020 at 12:58 AM, sd_flyer said:

If I take 100% of flying over the span of a year, about 85 perecet of flying is in turbulent air!

Nobody is saying that encountering turbulence is unrealistic. What people are saying is that its implementation is unrealistic.

On 8/31/2020 at 1:41 AM, RichieFly said:

What would be really useful, to me, is a means of seeing what real-time weather is within the simulator. The best you can get is ATIS broadcasts in your area, but that doesn't really mean much when airborne.

Indeed. People love to compare the sim's weather to the real world, however, they tend to forget those heaps of information about weather we have in the real world, unlike in MSFS where the best and the only source is the airport ATIS broadcast.

28 minutes ago, ilya1502 said:

Nobody is saying that encountering turbulence is unrealistic. What people are saying is that its implementation is unrealistic.

And where did you see realistic implementation of turbulence? In X-plane?

23 hours ago, pinepix62 said:

Watched an Aviation101 clip on youtube where he is flying a 172 IFR in a 20kt wind, yes it was bumpy but the plane stable all the time. flying the Baron in MSFS 2020 in a 5kt wind looks like I am flying through a hurricane in comparison. rocking from side to side all the time and massive changes in vertical speed and that is not even inside any clouds. I am not a pilot but often flew as a passenger in GA planes and to me the current dynamics are way off.

Just have wind 20 kts doesn't mean having a turbulence. Just saying.