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What expectations should we have for FSX's future ?

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Will dx10, windows Vista and new hardware technology improve our flightsim experience ? Is there any official statement as to what our future expections should be ? It would be nice to hear something. I've seen the artist's conception. Seems a little negligent and careless for microsoft to put the FSX brand on there. Doesn't this suggest that this is it's future. However comments from those developer blogs suggests that they haven't any progress related to a dx10 patch. I don't see how they could even make the statement that it will run better on Vista.None of this is logical, is it ? Why release a flightsim that can't perform to it fullest on any hardware available today or in the near future ? FSX does have plenty of potential, at least I see it. A huge improvement over FS9, if we had the hardware to run it !! The only logical conclusion is, this is the version for the future, the last of it's kind.Now where is this hobby headed ? It may not be official, but it's future cannot be denied.Pay attention !!!! XBOX 360 !!!!!I DON"T LIKE IT all that much either but this is the reality.Computer processing is going the multi-core route. Which works great for office and graphic applications but not so well with flightsims. This according to some that helped develope FSX. Too many hardware variables to deal with. The future of flightsimming on PC's is DEAD ! FSX is the last !Here are some of the reasons it's moving on to the xbox 360 or 460:One system, they'll know it works. The code can now be optimized.Their working on it now.GamertagsZero piracyXbox LIVE!Marketplace ( marketplace points for addons-such as aircraft, repaints, airports, etc..)Wireless headset, wireless joystick, yoke and pedals.Vision cam ( which will be made to work like Track IR )All this under Microsoft's control and on their XBOX brand.The xbox 360 has been a huge success for microsoft and adding flightsim to it will bring the FS franchise profit potential to a level never before seen. To date, all it is, is just a game. No potential beyond that. They have no control or share in the profits when addons and yokes and such are sold. This won't continue for very much longer. It's so obvious it's ridiculous !!Maybe it's time to put our disappointment of FSX aside and see it for what is is, a version designed to reach it's potential in a few years and beyond. Our PC's do evey task exceptionaly well, except flightsimming. My 3rd generation old PC system is still far beyond any that family, friends and neighbors have or need. At some point the market won't be there for these super computers. Seriously, What does a XBOX 360 cost ?edit: Interesting a comment finally from ACES. Beats my post by minutes. :-)

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Interesting post and the observations from the ACES team member in the other thread not withstanding the future of flightsimming on the PC does seem rather bleak.Bruceb

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>Here are some of the reasons it's moving on to the xbox 360 or>460:>Their working on it now.No we're not. >Maybe it's time to put our disappointment of FSX aside and see>it for what is is, a version designed to reach it's potential>in a few years and beyond. This, however, I can agree with, at least snipped out of context like that. - Hal

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If indeed you are from Microsoft, can you state your real name( correction title, my apology)and go on the record and state in fact that MS is not working on it. I don't think so.

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You seem like a fool writing garbage like "I don't think so"..."state your real name"....idiotic. If I was from MS I'd sure think twice trying to communicate with the outside when people can be that rude, and that un-informed.This is Hal Bryan, the "evangalist" as dubbed on the insider website. He flys out of Harvey Field, been part of ACEs for years, and a very nice guy. I'd say you owe him an apology.Bob B

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Sorry, but your point is what, that he's a real person you met at an expo ?You won't hear from anyone at microsoft that has any real clout that it isn't in the works.I think that anyone with common sense can see that 7 million xbox 360 owners, xbox Live! and what they call Marketplace will shape the future of gaming. Advanced gaming on the PC has no long term future. Not trying to promote the idea just stating the reality of the situation.I mean no disrespect to Hal. No intention to be rude.Interesting that the point I made about them working on it now is all HAl disputed. Of coarse whom, to what degree and at what stage they're working on it is relative.

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Even when the Microsoft guys been over backwards to state their case and help us they get pounded for it.

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>>Here are some of the reasons it's moving on to the xbox 360>or>>460:>>Their working on it now.>>No we're not. That's a shame. Even an FS-X (FS-360?) light with some missions in a limited scenery (lets say Africa with elephant missions and the like or the caribian) would make a great showpiece. Think off all the tweaking possible when you work with known hardware it would run great!For me as a hardcore simmer it would provide some great light entertainment (without the tweak obsessoins of FS 'regular').It would also provide a great intro to get new flightsimmers into the franchise.I would think that an evangelist would be keen on such a great opportunity to 'convert' even more gamers to become FSers ;-)

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>>Here are some of the reasons it's moving on to the xbox 360>or>>460:>>Their working on it now.>>No we're not. >>>Maybe it's time to put our disappointment of FSX aside and>see>>it for what is is, a version designed to reach it's>potential>>in a few years and beyond. >>This, however, I can agree with, at least snipped out of>context like that. >>- HalHi Hal! Love the new Sig! :)Best,Owen

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IF I were the executive in Microsoft with overall responsibility for FSX AND FSX was as bad as some posters claim, I'd be tempted have the ACES just do enough work to make it acceptable and then disband the team. However of course, the ultimate decision will depend whether on FSX meets it sales targets, allowing for the cost of any work to make it acceptable.

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>Sorry, but your point is what, that he's a real person you>met at an expo ?>>You won't hear from anyone at microsoft that has any real>clout that it isn't in the works.>>I think that anyone with common sense can see that 7 million>xbox 360 owners, xbox Live! and what they call Marketplace>will shape the future of gaming. Advanced gaming on the PC has>no long term future. >>Not trying to promote the idea just stating the reality of the>situation.>>I mean no disrespect to Hal. No intention to be rude.>Interesting that the point I made about them working on it now>is all HAl disputed. Of coarse whom, to what degree and at>what stage they're working on it is relative.Some info on who Hal is at FS Insider.http://www.fsinsider.com/Community/From-the-Team/

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Sorry STeve, you can't expect anyone to agree that:<<>>In your post to Hal you first: questioned his authenticity, and then (here's the rude part) concluded that he was not authentic all by yourself.That's simply rude. And it was intentional.Time to take responsibility for your bad behaviour.Bob

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>If indeed you are from Microsoft, can you state your real>name( correction title, my apology)and go on the record and>state in fact that MS is not working on it. >>I don't think so.Hal is one of the finest members of Aces and I assure you he is real...this from Oshkosh 2006 along with Katy Pluta who is an MS MVP.http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/160382.jpg

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>If indeed you are from Microsoft, can you state your real>name( correction title, my apology)and go on the record and>state in fact that MS is not working on it. >>I don't think so.Steve, your "credibility" just went down the crapper with this inane (or is it insane?) post.If you have even the slightest bit of an real knowledge on the subject, you would have instantly recognized Hal, his position at MS/ACES, and his bona-fides.Since Owen, Ron and I had the privelege of breaking bread with Hal (and the other ACES team members at Airventure 2006), I have no doubts whatsoever... ;)

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1 point1.This idea of the ACES team to visit the forums, and communicate with the simmers is bad. I think they should remain anonymous.2.I would love to see flightsim on the xbox.

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"1.This idea of the ACES team to visit the forums, and communicate with the simmers is bad. I think they should remain anonymous."Then be accused of not caring about simulator enthusiast and of not communicating openly?Hal, tried to communicate something to the community and is immediately attacked. Really, the day that people in these forums lose the "attack dog' mentality can't come too soon in my opinion.Any thinking person soon realizes that attacking others is not constructive but is in fact destructive to the purpose at hand.:-)

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Agreed, I do think Hal would be nuts to try again with people like Steve Cannell participating here.Its a sad thing, but I would totally respect MS if they decide that the community hasn't enough class and/or brains to merit the effort of outreach.Bob

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Another point I'd like to make that's obvious to anyone that posts here on occasion. There are poeple that hangout around these forums that like to attack anyone with a differance of opinion to theirs or have any negative opinion towards this commercial product or the teams decision making process. You can see from their replys, some of them appear to have personal relationships with those that duties include the promotion of the product. That's fine, but personal attacks like I'm a weirdo, idiot, stupid, rude, liar, just goes to show what's really going on around here. People don't need to fly halfway accross the country to FS community pow wows to have some knowledge about flightsimming. I'll also not be goated into spouting off about how long I've been flightsimming. It's okay when used in the right context but to often it's just another way many like to belittle forum members. I think it was DR. Phil or somethin that had a show about people addicted to forums. I think there's a few of them here just waiting for opportunities to pounce on other forum members to get their kicks. They certainly aren't addicted to flightsimming or they wouldn't be here all day.Hal chose to post a reply stating "no were not". I know different. Sure maybe not working on the code yet, maybe not the ACES team. So I challenged his statement, his title, and asked anyone with any real clout from microsoft to go on the record and tell us it won't happen. I bashed nor insulted anyone. Just because someone works for microsoft or aces doesn't mean I have to take their words as gospol (no pun intended)The point of the post was to suggest to my fellow simmers, that maybe the FSX product and the decisions made by MS and it's developers is an indicator as to where this hobby is headed in the future. Hence our expectations.My last words on the subject:Isn't it interesting that from everything that I stated in the post above, all someone from aces would try and dispute was a few words "Their working on it now" taken out of context. What does that say ?

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Steve -Your comments about the future of PC gaming are areas we obviously disagree on, but they're somewhat subjective and I wouldn't presume to begrudge you your opinion, or your theories on the viability of FS as a console title. However, you said, directly and unequivocally, that we (Microsoft) are working on Flight Sim for the Xbox360. This isn't true, so I thought it important to make that clear. And now, you've said it again. It still isn't true. You can keep saying it, and claiming you "know different", but that won't make it true. It's up to you to opine and theorize all you want - that's a huge part of what makes a forum like this dynamic and interesting. And you don't need me to tell you that you're free to claim whatever you want about Microsoft and what we're doing, what our plans are. But we're here, too, and we'll set the record straight when we need to, and as we can.

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>Hi Hal! Love the new Sig! :)>>Best,>>Owen>Thanks, Owen!

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>I can verify he is real- I met him at the aopa expo last year>and he is great person-and did some amazing landings with the>sim that I have yet to duplicate-and if you look closely-he>did sign his real name..>Thanks for kind words, Geoff - see you in Palm Springs?

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>This is Hal Bryan, the "evangalist" as dubbed on the insider>website. He flys out of Harvey Field, been part of ACEs for>years, and a very nice guy. >>I'd say you owe him an apology.>>Bob B.Thanks, Bob ... I'm hard pressed to imagine someone jumping into AVSIM these days only *pretending* to be from Microsoft! ;)

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