3 minutes ago, Flyfaster said:

Bought the Honeycomb and after months of waiting it arrived DOA 😞

Total PITA when you are looking forward to something and that happens. 

I almost bought a Honeycomb myself as it looks a good unit and the other choice at the time, a Yoko, was way outside of budget, but then I saw a video of the Fulcrum and thought "that is pricey but I can justify that". 

I have decided to skip the sensitivity settings and leave them at default.  Now, I simply go into the 'aircraft.cfg' file and adjust the rudder, alerion and/or elevator control_effectiveness number which is defaulted to '1', I change theses to various values for different aircraft, usually between .6 and .8 - smooth as silk in all axies.

I agree I removed all dead zones and set curves straighter.

Folks,

While I agree that a good quality joystick makes a big difference the problem is that MSFS2020/ASOBO has a big problem first how the aircraft flight model is reacting to the flight control inputs.

They also have an issue how you can calibrate and adjust flight controls.

Before you spend the money on something high quality and fancy you should complain and demand to fix the issue they have all along from day one.

It's not fair to mislead the people that is a joystick problem that you need additional software (free or purchase) when actually it is a big programming issue.

I understand that people try to help and is appreciated but let's concentrate on the real problem and complain to the people at fault please.

My issue is with Trim. I assign it to an unused throttle but the effective area seems to be one nano-meter up or down from center.

7 minutes ago, Mike S KPDX said:

I have decided to skip the sensitivity settings and leave them at default.  Now, I simply go into the 'aircraft.cfg' file and adjust the rudder, alerion and/or elevator control_effectiveness number which is defaulted to '1', I change theses to various values for different aircraft, usually between .6 and .8 - smooth as silk in all axies.

And what do you do about the ones where there is no way to access the "aircraft.cfg" file and adjust?

It's no for us to get into each "aircraft.cfg" to fix their problems and on top of that they the ones that get paid for such a "good job".

This, by far, is where I've spent the majority of my tweek-time; controls.

I've tried Lorby Axis and Ohs, FSUIPC7 and the native settings and combinations. So far, FSUIPC seems to be the better working of the three. But, it's still not quite there. It's better, but still not satisfying. The hyper sensitivity, also, exposes your weakest link in the controller setup you might use. I hadn't realized how shabby my CH Pro Pedals are.

 

13 minutes ago, killthespam said:

Folks,

While I agree that a good quality joystick makes a big difference the problem is that MSFS2020/ASOBO has a big problem first how the aircraft flight model is reacting to the flight control inputs.

They also have an issue how you can calibrate and adjust flight controls.

Before you spend the money on something high quality and fancy you should complain and demand to fix the issue they have all along from day one.

It's not fair to mislead the people that is a joystick problem that you need additional software (free or purchase) when actually it is a big programming issue.

I understand that people try to help and is appreciated but let's concentrate on the real problem and complain to the people at fault please.

I at least have no problems with my joysticks, pedals, yokes and throttle quadrants. 

At most I made small adjustments, really not necessary, I find after the last patch all the adjustments work fine again. Once you get used to the logic of how the adjustments work, it is very easy to customize right in FS2020. No need for any added SW, IMHO.

I use Thrustmaster F-16C Viper HOTAS, and VBK pedals and stick, Honeycomb yoke, Saitek pedals, CH Throttle quadrant and Saitek Throttle as well as several homebuilt encoders and switches for Collective nose wheel steering etc. All run perfectly in FS2020.

18 minutes ago, killthespam said:

And what do you do about the ones where there is no way to access the "aircraft.cfg" file and adjust?

It's no for us to get into each "aircraft.cfg" to fix their problems and on top of that they the ones that get paid for such a "good job".

I am on STEAM and have full access to all aircraft config files.  I did not know this was an issue for the MS only install, my apologies.  As to your second comment, I wonder if these variations are caused the many various input devices available?  My 8" throw yoke will work very differently then a MS Joystick - question: which one did the developer use?

8 hours ago, ErichB said:

I don't understand how people can throw $100/1000's at hardware for the PC but fly with crappy controllers and 24' monitors.

Exactly. That's why I have a Brunner FFB yoke and pedals, a PFC quadrant, and a triple projector curved screen setup running on a 486 SX-20. It's great! 😉

 

 

31 minutes ago, Mike S KPDX said:

I am on STEAM and have full access to all aircraft config files.  I did not know this was an issue for the MS only install, my apologies.  As to your second comment, I wonder if these variations are caused the many various input devices available?  My 8" throw yoke will work very differently then a MS Joystick - question: which one did the developer use?

Mike,

I understand.

I'm not on STEAM and I'm using the version that has all the airplanes, unfortunately many of them have aircraft config files hidden and can't adjust them.

I agree with you 100% that each joystick is different but, I'm looking at FSX, P3D and XP11 and I can notice that their calibration of flight controls is much better and easier to manage.

For me this is a serious problem when I can adjust properly my controls on other software (I have PFC Jetliner yoke and PFC throttle control with TPR Rudder) while this MSFS2020 is more like a World wide scenery simulator, not Flight simulator. And I say that because if the airplanes don't fly correct. 

Being an airline pilot when we say flight simulator we think first about how close to reality is to the airplane. Years ago primary objective was for the "simulator" to have flight characteristics as close to reality, scenery was on the second place. Actually the first "link trainers" where just a box (cockpit with gauges, no visuals). In our days we have aircraft simulators that they get as close as to the reality by 80% to 95% with astonishing visuals. 

MSFS2020 is a step forward to what a PC simulator should be but with terrible aircraft characteristics, unsatisfactory  calibration of flight controls, unoptimized software with multiple bugs, updates that brake whatever is working correct.

I'm sorry but this is very disappointing and alarming to see this kind of stuff. They need a big shakeup starting with the "decision makers and the programmers".

The whole internet in simulator community is disappointed and upset about this software and patches, with some exceptions.     

Try Virpil.com If you've never heard of them. Hand-made. Superb quality. Pricey. Problem is, it's hard to get your hands on their stuff. They announce a new batch and they're quickly sold out. I'm watching their web site right now for the next batch to show up. hopefully before Xmas, I've convinced my wife that the way to quiet down my noisy, plastic-y-sounding CH Pro pedals is to replace them with a nicer version from Virpil. 🙂     PS. No, I didn't realize airliners weren't 1:1. I'm talking systems which have mechanical connections, not fly-by-wire. Mechanical systems talk back. In my little open-cockpit Experimental you could push the controls to their limits (IF you could overcome the force feedback from the opposing air), but long before you get there the wind noise would be scaring the word not allowed out of you, and you would quickly realize that, past a certain point it's really not doing anything useful - it's just converting your airplane into something frightening and aerodynamically dangerous. A full-on sideslip always left me feeling I was right at the edge of something I really didn't want to experience! It's just like in this sim when you straighten out those lines in the sensitivity sliders - you only need a few degrees of movement to do anything considered normal. In fact, if I looked out at the full-span ailerons in that little plane, I could barely see them move when I moved the stick.

5 hours ago, Mike S KPDX said:

I have decided to skip the sensitivity settings and leave them at default.  Now, I simply go into the 'aircraft.cfg' file and adjust the rudder, alerion and/or elevator control_effectiveness number which is defaulted to '1', I change theses to various values for different aircraft, usually between .6 and .8 - smooth as silk in all axies.

Hi Mike

I am using the C152X  I assume this is found in the Flight_model.cfg file ?? 

Thanks

I fly with the Honeycomb Alpha, Saitek Pro Cessna pedals, and a pair of Saitek USB quadrants.  I am experiencing zero of these stated issues.  I am flying strictly GA.  Baron, Bonanza, DA62, and the Carenado Mooney.  I have not messed with control settings since my initial MFS installation back on the day following the release.

6 hours ago, dobee51 said:

My issue is with Trim. I assign it to an unused throttle but the effective area seems to be one nano-meter up or down from center.

This actually sounds like you have assigned it to trim up trim down rather than the trim axis - or if it is assigned correctly the game is not treating it as an axis.