3 hours ago, leprechaunlive said:

we get amazing content for FREE every 2 months

It's not really free, it was built into the pricing structure.

.....think folk are feeling the pressure of non flightsim stuff (outside world). Persistent anxiety takes it's toll and it may be prompting an over reaction by some.

1 hour ago, leprechaunlive said:

Nothing is all black or all white anyways

Now there you go being all wishy-washy with your shades of gray, and your nuance, and your "maybe the truth lies somewhere in the middle".   It's folks like you wot cause unrest!  😄

Seriously, I can't echo what @leprechaunlive says here enough.   Everyone I've talked to who's involved with the sim, from either Asobo or Microsoft, has been enthusiastic, passionate, and determined to put out the best product possible.   There are issues, and there have been missteps, and they can be aggravating at times, even the folks involved will admit that.   But I have full faith that with a bit of patience things will come good in the end.

Perhaps actually talking to the people involved makes it easier to remember that they are just that:  people.   And they try their best, but they're human and thus flawed, and sometimes they mess up just like the rest of us.  At times we could all benefit from some epistemic humility.

7 minutes ago, kaosfere said:

Now there you go being all wishy-washy with your shades of gray, and your nuance, and your "maybe the truth lies somewhere in the middle".   It's folks like you wot cause unrest!  😄

Seriously, I can't echo what @leprechaunlive says here enough.   Everyone I've talked to who's involved with the sim, from either Asobo or Microsoft, has been enthusiastic, passionate, and determined to put out the best product possible.   There are issues, and there have been missteps, and they can be aggravating at times, even the folks involved will admit that.   But I have full faith that with a bit of patience things will come good in the end.

Perhaps actually talking to the people involved makes it easier to remember that they are just that:  people.   And they try their best, but they're human and thus flawed, and sometimes they mess up just like the rest of us.  At times we could all benefit from some epistemic humility.

YES. just normal people like us believe it or not. more than a few times the answers we get is "i have no idea whats going on' send me a repro package" and within a few hours they come back with solutions, fixes, advixes and all that. and bear in mind we are working on one project, they have a whole sim to take care of. 

39 minutes ago, Chock said:

It's not really free, it was built into the pricing structure.

well yea, but it could also very easily have been paid DLCs. 

26 minutes ago, leprechaunlive said:

well yea, but it could also very easily have been paid DLCs. 

And presumably that would have been reflected in the price we paid for the sim.

I am enjoying the sim tremendously, I am a big fan, I can see in the sim that people working on this are passionate about it. Give us updates, when they are ready!

The one thing I do not get:

Why isn't the sim tested before an update is released in a sense that:

Pick and aircraft, fly from A to B.

The recent 'terrain spikes' and 'flap' issue would have been detected within 2 minutes of flying.

Most of the update bugs are obvious and easy to spot, yet they happen...

But I am not in their shoes, it still baffles me.... 

1 hour ago, Matchstick said:

And presumably that would have been reflected in the price we paid for the sim.

I was comparing with legacy sims...How much did we pay for them? How much was FSX, or XP11?

1 hour ago, leprechaunlive said:

I was comparing with legacy sims...How much did we pay for them? How much was FSX, or XP11?

The value proposition isn't really part of the discussion (though I paid less for XP11 and FSX combined than the cost of the MSFS Premium Deluxe), Microsoft created sold MSFS as a "game as a service" deal with these updates included , and that's what we all paid for.

The idea that we are getting these updated out of the kindness of MS's heart doesn't really ring true to me.

3 hours ago, leprechaunlive said:

I was comparing with legacy sims...How much did we pay for them? How much was FSX, or XP11?

Worth bearing in mind that the distribution of FSX in 2006, was mainly on actual physical media when it came out, in bricks and mortar stores. The distribution of MSFS has required none of that delivery or production expense.

The latest MSFS is cheapest of all going back to FS3 (a DOS game). FS3 was $55, FS5 was $60. The last one 2020 was $59 inflated dollars. A computer system, monitor, printer, all cheaper now than 1990 for sure (allowing for inflation).

On 2/26/2021 at 12:26 PM, leprechaunlive said:

Ever wondered why we dont hear from them on forums? 😄

Im in the fortunate position of talking to 6 or 7 asobos dev on a daily basis (private 3rd party dev discord) and i can tell you, they are an amazing bunch of guys, so, SO helpful and passionate about what they do, and they answer all our (sometimes silly) questions. They want to make it as good as we all want. Its just a huge task. From what i can gather, its actually Microsoft thats making our life harder, but obviously, they also have their reasons.

Anyway i agree, we get amazing content for FREE every 2 months, we get constant dev update about what they are trying to do, but still, some people feel like they are entitled to much more. All this we never had in any other legacy sims (except maybe XP11). 

Then you could ask them when finally the De Luxe aircraft will work as they should. Half a year has gone by and people payed extra for them. 

And when many of the handcrafted airports get their bumpy runways fixed.

And when Simconnect will be having all promised features .

I don’t care about new scenery at this moment ; tell them to fix the base first.

Edited February 28, 20215 yr by GSalden

1 hour ago, GSalden said:

Then you could ask them when finally the De Luxe aircraft will work as they should. Half a year has gone by and people payed extra for them. 

And when many of the handcrafted airports get their bumpy runways fixed.

And when Simconnect will be having all promised features .

I don’t care about new scenery at this moment ; tell them to fix the base first.

I agree to a certain extent, but they also have to put up with MS assigning them tasks (like the extra content), they cant dedicate all ressources to just fix things unfortuantely.

1 hour ago, leprechaunlive said:

I agree to a certain extent, but they also have to put up with MS assigning them tasks (like the extra content), they cant dedicate all ressources to just fix things unfortuantely.

Imho they should just do that .

First make a solid base with everything working and then start adding extra scenery / ac ....

You cannot add a waypoint in the 747 CDU. VNAV is not working correctly in the De Luxe airliners. After half a year it seems to me that they either have to start making the systems of these ac from scratch again , or they do not know how to fix this with the stare these ac are now.

Surely I do understand that the scenery needs to be at high level with the XBox version release on its way. Most XBox players will not care much about ac where they need to learn a lot before flying correctly.

They take off and fly around to see the beautiful environment. And then they land or stop the game,  Simply : 🛫  🏝️🏰🌎 🛬
 

Like the  Volkswagen ID3 is the MSFS amongst the cars...

Edited February 28, 20215 yr by GSalden

2 minutes ago, GSalden said:

 

 Most XBox players will not care much about ac where they need to learn a lot before flying correctly.

 

How do we know that tho?