3 minutes ago, jon b said:

They say don’t they, that you are free to do whatever you want in life , as long as it doesn’t hurt other people.

Well in my view the release of MSFS at its current level of development has been the worst thing to have happened to the hobby of commercial aviation simulation, and it’s certainly hurt.

The level of complex airliner development In P3D and XP has recently been nothing short of breath taking, however this development has now practically ground  to a halt as developer’s turn their attention to porting over products to MSFS.

All their attention is focused on learning the new sim and bringing over existing P3D products. Attention and energy that previously would have been spent either improving and further developing existing aircraft or developing exciting new aircraft for the existing sims.

You can’t blame developers for this when they see there is a massive influx of “gamers”  thus revenue stream ,entering the hobby via MSFS and existing simulation enthusiasts post all over the community forums that they’ll never buy anything for P3D ever again as they’re off to MSFS. Although often only to return once they become aware of the new platforms’ s present limitations.

This would  be  all well and good if MSFS had been released in a state to accept the complex aircraft that many P3D users own or desire. However  it simply hasn’t , despite initial indications it would, see PMDG’s revised 737 plans as an example.
 

At present the situation is like going into hospital and having a vital organ removed Only to be then told  a suitable donor organ hasn’t yet been found, and it might be a couple of years before one is.

Sure MSFS can do a good job of capturing the pure visual beauty of flight , but as we all know there is so much more to simulation than just the visuals.

And the real elephant in the room here with the depth of detail in the new sim when combined with a complex aircraft like the PMDG 747 is performance, is there currently a computer available that will support such a complex aircraft flying over a complex city like London in MSFS?

And then we get into the horrible situation we had previously in simulation where only the very latest computer would just about struggle to use the latest software release. By the time the available hardware had caught up and you were just about happy then the next even more complex version of the simulator would be released and you’d be back at square one.

I looked at amazement, as we all did I’m sure ,at screen shots of the ornate railings, lampposts  and statues at Buckingham palace in MSFS’s recent U.K. update. However I then thought why would you ever need to see such detail in a flight simulator?

I must have flown my real world 747 over central London literally hundreds of times on the way into Heathrow and have never once made out the ornate railings at the palace. The only time you would ever get near enough to see such things in the middle of a city would be if you were landing a HEMS helicopter nearby for an emergency, but then of course  MSFS won’t have helicopters until 2022?

THIS......100% agree on this...

1 minute ago, Simicro said:

PMDG, FSL, and other high end aircrafts are maybe not sufficient but required.

Once their aicrafts are available in MSFS, users will tend to follow.

And if users follow, other addon developers, attracted by the volume of users, will follow to clear the obstables and provide whatever is needed (camera system, etc.)

This is what people were saying a year ago. There’s some posters in this thread who couldn’t wait to leave P3D, telling us it was finished as they walked out the door. Guess what? They’re back flying the LM sim right now because of all the things MSFS still can’t do, and may never be able to do.

Look, this is a P3D forum. There no place, in my opinion, for some of the black pill “P3D will soon be finished” nonsense that I’m reading here. If people really want to post about how MSFS is the one and only flight sim with a future, go crazy - but go and do it on the MSFS forum.

4 minutes ago, omarsmak30 said:

It is almost by now completely re-written, of course taking in account the custom autopilot, custom ATHR, custom engine model and the custom flightplan which are in experimental branch by now. What is left, the rest of the custom electric systems, custom hydraulics and the custom ND display which are of all these are actively WIP. When all these are done, it will be separated into its own add-one separated from the default A320, so to be put it like this is mostly by the 3D model that they use from the default a320

Yes...and after each update lots of things get broken. They repair....of course....even quick.

But they NEED the base MSFS 320.

I am not out here to rage against any platform. But I am not sure if MSFS fit my requirements ever. It is just my opinion and view.....

This may not come true....hopefully....but I do not BET on sentences like.....as soon as FSLABS is flyable in MSFS......

Because it still may be possible it may not Happen ever......

No one can answer this now.

Marcus

Edited March 7, 20215 yr by mpo910

7 minutes ago, mpo910 said:

Agreed. I am really curious to see what will happen. I'd love to fly FSLABS or FSLABS Like planes in MSFS. 

Yes, but you’re a VR flier, aren’t you, Marcus? Not much chance of the FSL bus performing at an adequate frame rate in MSFS, even if they could get it to work with a hypothetical future SDK.

1 minute ago, OzWhitey said:

Yes, but you’re a VR flier, aren’t you, Marcus? Not much chance of the FSL bus performing at an adequate frame rate in MSFS, even if they could get it to work with a hypothetical future SDK.

You know me very well 🙂

yes I am........FSLABS in P3D V5.x is indeed performing great. 

Exactly that is why I am not so confident or sure about his will ever happen in MSFS for me and fitting my requirements (incl. VR). 

7 minutes ago, mpo910 said:

THIS......100% agree on this...

100% disagree here... there so much iptech ignorance in it, not even worth a reply too. Then there's the obvious if it were like that, nobody would pay attention too it, and of course the nobody's forcing you to buy it, one...

5 minutes ago, mpo910 said:

Yes...and after each update lots of things get broken. They repair....of course....even quick.

But they NEED the base MSFS 320.

I am not out here to rage against any platform. But I am not sure if MSFS fit my requirements ever. It is just my opinion and view.....

This may not come true....hopefully....but I do not BET on sentences like.....as soon as FSLABS is flyable in MSFS......

Because it still may be possible it may not Happen ever......

No one can answer this now.

Marcus

So just like all software, huh? And oh, how much fun is it when p3d update make all your favorite addons stop working and you have to wait for *them* tp update too..? yeah...

1 minute ago, Mgard78 said:

100% disagree here... there so much iptech ignorance in it, not even worth a reply too. Then there's the obvious if it were like that, nobody would pay attention too it, and of course the nobody's forcing you to buy it, one...

Your opinion is just fine. 

Different people....different views and different requirements at each platform. Very simple. 

All ok I think. Like this nice discussion. 

🙂

13 minutes ago, Mgard78 said:

So just like all software, huh? And oh, how much fun is it when p3d update make all your favorite addons stop working and you have to wait for *them* tp update too..? yeah...

I do accept EVERY opinion here. And I do NOT attack anybody here too.

Just having a nice discussion and changing minds.....

If someone is fine and happy with MSFS it's ok for me. Be happy.

If someone's not....like me for the moment....that should not matter too. Just my opinion.

I am just careful and not having to much hope MSFS will ever fit my needs. Because someone posted here that as soon as he is able to fly FSLABS in MSFS he's is changing P3D for MSFS. 

Of course. I would do that too....as long as MSFS fits my needs completely. 

And for now it is not. I can not fly complex planes in VR at reasonable and usable performance. 

I have 200+ add-ons. Only a handful have to be updated.....rest is still working nicely or at least acceptable. And I am fine with this process and even update speed of those suppliers who have to update.

Are you ok with that? 

Edited March 7, 20215 yr by mpo910

1 minute ago, Mgard78 said:

So just like all software, huh? And oh, how much fun is it when p3d update make all your favorite addons stop working and you have to wait for *them* tp update too..? yeah...

I have hundreds of addons.  They haven't just stopped working.  so this really makes little sense.  While some people may have aversions to troubleshooting and optimizing their software I'm not one of them.  

 

I totally agree with Jon B's point about it being unfortunate to have progression of airplanes halted as devs race to just port them over.  I found it very exciting also to see how far some of these developers could push the technology of the airplanes we know and love.  

27 minutes ago, mpo910 said:

Yes...and after each update lots of things get broken. They repair....of course....even quick.

But they NEED the base MSFS 320.

I am not out here to rage against any platform. But I am not sure if MSFS fit my requirements ever. It is just my opinion and view.....

This may not come true....hopefully....but I do not BET on sentences like.....as soon as FSLABS is flyable in MSFS......

Because it still may be possible it may not Happen ever......

No one can answer this now.

Marcus

The base won't be needed as it is now. They have already forked the model with permission from Asobo if not mistaken to modify and thus when is a standalone a modified model from the base will be included. Just excatly like Zibo mod

Edited March 7, 20215 yr by omarsmak30

26 minutes ago, OzWhitey said:

This is what people were saying a year ago. There’s some posters in this thread who couldn’t wait to leave P3D, telling us it was finished as they walked out the door. Guess what? They’re back flying the LM sim right now because of all the things MSFS still can’t do, and may never be able to do.

Look, this is a P3D forum. There no place, in my opinion, for some of the black pill “P3D will soon be finished” nonsense that I’m reading here. If people really want to post about how MSFS is the one and only flight sim with a future, go crazy - but go and do it on the MSFS forum.

Indeed Rob. As most of the simmers know I like P3D. I spent hours and hours testing and communicating between simmers and LM.

This thread and others here at P3D shows me that indeed lots of us came back to P3D.....or where not away ever.

I think a bit room for discussion is ok. 

But I also agree that it should not be a rage against any platform discussion. And for sure not against P3D here in the P3D forum space.

You, others and I will make sure this will not happen...... 😉

 

12 hours ago, kevinfirth said:

Tends to suggest the problem is insufficient hardware then?

Umm, please describe ANY hardware that lets you fly the NGXu into KSFO HD/Orbx NCA w/ sliders even in the middle.  This has always been the problem w/ FSX/P3D.  I've solved it by flying when the only scenery that matters is the airport, and that is in low light conditions.

6 minutes ago, Noel said:

Umm, please describe ANY hardware that lets you fly the NGXu into KSFO HD/Orbx NCA w/ sliders even in the middle.  This has always been the problem w/ FSX/P3D.  I've solved it by flying when the only scenery that matters is the airport, and that is in low light conditions.

The hardware is called “a 2080TI”.

I previously posted a test with your wishlist - Flightbeam KSFO, PMDG, Orbx - with sliders not in the middle, but all the way to the right. Every single one. Prepar3d handled it with aplomb.

An RTX 3090 would, I’m sure, do an even better job.

Prepar3d v5 performs great with top hardware.

24 minutes ago, OzWhitey said:

The hardware is called “a 2080TI”.

I previously posted a test with your wishlist - Flightbeam KSFO, PMDG, Orbx - with sliders not in the middle, but all the way to the right. Every single one. Prepar3d handled it with aplomb.

An RTX 3090 would, I’m sure, do an even better job.

Prepar3d v5 performs great with top hardware.

O yes. Confirmed. RTX3090 all sliders to the right 100% AI, every shadow turned on stable +30FPS  at 4k 32 inch monitor. 

Sliders mid\right and VR on in P3D windowed mode I get 32 to 45 FPS in reverb G2 with 150%SS in steam and 2xmsaa in P3D V5.x with PMDG 747 and 777 or QW787 at KSFO with ORBX TE products within Cockpit and more fps in outside views. 

P3D v5.x has gained performance and has gained FPS stability. 

Marcus

Edited March 7, 20215 yr by mpo910