I’ve had MSFS since the day it was released, but I still use P3dv5 90% of the time. Great planes and great airports is all I need when I fly almost 100% tubeliners.

Cheers, Pete

6 hours ago, himmelhorse said:

Mate, 

Do you even recognize Bali Denpasar, or Surabaya airports in MSFS.  I realize that you may not be a regular IRL visitor. I live in East Java and frequently transit through those airports.  In MSFS, they are not even remotely similar to the real world airports.  The same applies to Djakarta.

Airport quality is good even though it is very outdated.

Strangely, Denpasar features the toll bypass freeway which was built offshore, and this was built after a major upgrade to the airport. The tollway is there but the upgraded airport is not. Go figure.

Tony   

Looking at the roadmap for MSFS I suspect your area get a scenery upgrade around 2027, 2023 they will still be working in Europe. 

4 minutes ago, G-RFRY said:

Looking at the roadmap for MSFS I suspect your area get a scenery upgrade around 2027, 2023 they will still be working in Europe.

I will be 78 or 79 then so will still have 20 years of flying left in me LOL

Thanks for your thoughts

Tony

7 hours ago, pmb said:

Been there, done that for X-Plane and AeroflyFS. As you know, raw aerial imagery has a number of issues including color mismatches and/or clouds, at least. Yes, you can overcome all these by photoshopping and tricks - if you have enough spare time at hand.

Next you need fitting autogen or whatever it's called or create this, too, e.g. using Scenproc. And according to my experience, the result still doesn't fit in the same way organically to the ground as in MSFS where ground, buildings, and trees are created from the same base dataset.

And in the end, when you're done with Southern Africa and want to fly in India or Russia you'll have to start over again.

I for one am more than happy I'll not have to set foot into this realm again. I have limited time for this hobby and prefer to spend it for actual flying instead of number-crunching.  For me, MSFS is a blessing, despite a number of shortcomings which I don't deny. 

And referring to the OP: I am not sure if I had more CTDs in MSFS since release or DXGI_ERROR_DEVICE_HUNG errors using EA since I bought P3D5.

Kind regards, Michael

Good to read that MSFS provides you with all that you want. But still you are here at the P3D forum Michael.

I have both MSFS and P3Dv5 and I only fly in Europe and Northern Africa. All countries PR and indeed it took years to collect/make them all but now I am enjoying this. There was no MSFS like there is now.

MSFS Bing has also many places with color differences as they are not color optimized like the TE series. All PR scenery I made had some color differences too as I also used B.ng as a base. If the colors where way off in my opinion then indeed I corrected them before compiling.

MSFS might be good for GA flyers and if you use the one good 737, but it is stil far from the Sim it is pretend to be once.

After more than half a year no The Luxe airliners can be flown good. It is a big shame that after 7 months nothing has been fixed. My guess : they don’t know how to do it without having to rebuild them  from scratch. They need to make the base stable and functioning first, but scenery and the coming XBox version have all probably.

You cannot use MSFS with a lot of Simconnect depending Addons as you will experience CTD’s.

For sightseeing and looking around MSFS is very good. But like with P3D : if you want many cities to look more realistic you need to buy a lot of landmark packages. And all together will they also cost a lot of money.

Wuth P3D you often get a detailed city with the airport addon. With MSFS, if the city is not very detailed you need 2 Addons to buy.

Like with P3Dv5 you need to spend extra money for more realism.

But first I want a stable platform. And MSFS is far from that in its current state. 
P3D is much more stable ....

regards, Gerard

Edited March 7, 20215 yr by GSalden

6 hours ago, Rogen said:

A big plus for P3D is of course there are many more planes to fly and P3D can look pretty nice with the right scenery.

 

I think it's really important to remember that P3D doesn't have to look ugly. No, you don't have to "turn out the lights"! But P3D is a platform to add things to - that's the design ethos. LM have spent very little time upgrading the default landclass, and don't provide wide-scale orthoscenery with the sim.

So a "pretty" P3D v5 is not an "out of the box" experience like MSFS, but it's certainly possible to make it look nice. I don't only fly P3D because of the vastly superior aircraft. I also genuinely prefer the view out the cockpit window while cruising, when using ortho + EA + VR.

Some quick snaps from the past week:

Ireland:

Travelling the world in the QOTSII:

Indonesia:

 

 

 

 

Edited March 7, 20215 yr by OzWhitey

39 minutes ago, GSalden said:

MSFS Bing has also many places with color differences as they are not color optimized like the TE series. All PR scenery I made had some color differences too as I also used B.ng as a base. If the colors where way off in my opinion then indeed I corrected them before compiling.

 

Gerard (and other P3D fliers), try Arc next time you feel like making scenery. Bing imagery was decent back in the P3D v3 era, it's been rubbish for a good while now. For example, you can easily cover Australia or southern Africa with ARC, and not require any cloud removal or color matching. With the P3D version of Ortho4XP, it really is effortless and takes days to cover a good chunk of the world, rather than years.  

Edited March 7, 20215 yr by OzWhitey

58 minutes ago, OzWhitey said:

Gerard (and other P3D fliers), try Arc next time you feel like making scenery. Bing imagery was decent back in the P3D v3 era, it's been rubbish for a good while now. For example, you can easily cover Australia or southern Africa with ARC, and not require any cloud removal or color matching. With the P3D version of Ortho4XP, it really is effortless and takes days to cover a good chunk of the world, rather than years.  

Is that the app that can make coastlines/watermarks automatically without me having to cut out a coastline ?

9 hours ago, himmelhorse said:

P3D maturity with MSFS scenery and MSFS would not get a look in. 

MSFS will eventually get that maturity and probably before P3D gets the scenery.  

Exactly this. Anyone who thinks P3D will catch up to MSFS in terms of world engine before MSFS catches up to P3D in terms of maturity is kidding themselves.

28 minutes ago, honanhal said:

Exactly this. Anyone who thinks P3D will catch up to MSFS in terms of world engine before MSFS catches up to P3D in terms of maturity is kidding themselves.

I would really not Bet on this one. Don´t get me wrong! I would love to see MSFS offering the "positives" from P3D (complex airplanes, integrations with some addons, etc.)!

But I don´t see it now and in my opinion it remains open for the near future how this will mature or not.

Of course the development speed and resources over at MS/Asobo (MSFS) would allow growing fast!

BUT there is a huge BUT:

• Who says MSFS is wanting to head into this direction (=this direction BIG money and profit)?
• Who says that the market they are after is "asking" for complex airliners and various complexity which P3D delivers today/tomorrow? Maybe the keep targeting XBOX and the huge gamer requests. AKA: Make the world more detailed. More animals, moving trains, boats/ferries, nicer scenery, funparks, more interactions between "gamers", even better sounds, getting other games onto/into MSFS world/platform (racing, real world train sim?). One world HUGE possibilities!

I am not saying they won´t add more functionality for better and deeper complex systems for airliners and deeper simulations with much more integrations like GSX/Groundhandling etc..

But they "develop" what the "market" requests. And the huge/big market is NOT per definition complex simulation (Complex=Niche=expensive=small profit compared to the rest of the gaming industry).

Their roadmap is transparent and very clear. They "add" what the "big huge market" asks for. 

• Take helicopters=small market=late implementation (and the level of "detail" for helicopters is NOT discussed yet).
• Take true to real ATC=small market=not implemented (at least not yet)
• Take complex airliners=small market=not implemented/possible yet.....lets wait and see when it will be possible
• etc.

So I am not so sure they will give "us" what "we" want. True simulation at a level like P3D (not scenery/visual wise....but system and integration wise).

They partner with big organisations like ORBX, Aerosoft and other BIG ones who ALL have a large customer experience and none of them offers the detail of complexity I would like to see at certain needed and missing products.

PMDG, FSLabs, Maddog, AIRLP are all left out yet. They get no information or have not reached the development level they would have liked to reach yet.....they have left out completely or are postponed till present time.

The shift and priorities from MS/Asobo AND the differences between SIMMERS and GAMERS is very clear to me.

And if I am honest: The GAMERS market is MUCH bigger then the SIMMERS market. So I can really understand their goals (at least I think I do).

Big=masses=market=power=benefit. Simmers=niche.....

Again, I do hope it will come different......But I am not seeing this today.

Marcus

 

 

 

Edited March 7, 20215 yr by mpo910

3 hours ago, GSalden said:

Good to read that MSFS provides you with all that you want. But still you are here at the P3D forum Michael.

Sorry, I missed this as arguments were flying back and forth. Usually, I tend to omit positive posts in the wrong forum. And will leave it at this here.

Kind regards, Michael

As soon as I can fly my FSlabs A320 in MSFS then it is bye bye P3D. 

3 minutes ago, rocketlaunch said:

As soon as I can fly my FSlabs A320 in MSFS then it is bye bye P3D. 

Of course! Why not. I would also like to do this...One of the best developed Airbus in the nicest looking environment.

But this: "As soon as I can fly my........" part of your sentence can last a long long time..... (CAN, not MUST).

We don´t have any positive signals from the devs now regarding a time of delivery....have we?

But I do understand you!

Marcus

7 minutes ago, rocketlaunch said:

As soon as I can fly my FSlabs A320 in MSFS then it is bye bye P3D. 

That probably means that you still will be flying P3D for a long time...

Edited March 7, 20215 yr by GSalden

Just now, GSalden said:

That probably means that you will be flying P3D for a long time...

We seem to agree Gerard...posted at the same time!

10 minutes ago, GSalden said:

That probably means that you still will be flying P3D for a long time...

I am in no rush, the point is as soon as the aircraft port over then so will all the users.