Yea we are not supposed to know, but my theory is we are the aliens, we are the introduced species to this planet and that is the reason why we plague it, just like any other introduced species, They are the ones that introduced us and all they are doing is checking up on us every so often. The Neanderthals were the original species of this planet and yep, that was the first we drove off to extinction...

 

This is Satire of course, but if anyone ever lives in a fragile ecosystem like I do in New Zealand, you really do understand the damage of an evasive species, when you look at our species we are far worse then any evasive species that ever migrated around this earth, therefore we are the aliens 🤣

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11 hours ago, Fielder said:

I would tend to believe it more likely to be a super advanced vehicle if it DID accelerate and decelerate when changing direction. The fact that it did not tends to make me think it is an optical illusion of some sort,

 

Hmm... I not sure about the optical illusion idea. This was witnessed by four people in the jets for as long as 5 minutes. Also, the Spy One radar on the Princeton had been tracking them for just over one week. During which time the objects were appearing from above the radar ceiling (80,000 feet) so essentially from orbit and plummeting down to 50 feet above the ocean within a few seconds. If its witnessed by the human eye ball and by radar I don't think its an optical illusion.

I should mention, that this  happened again. The Fravor incident was 2004 but in 2015 the same scenario was manifest. The 2015 incident was the same scenario in that a carrier group was doing workups ready for deployment to the gulf. Numerous objects were seen on radar. In fact, two F18's had an incident with a UFO where it flew straight between them. It was said to look like a cube inside a transparent basketball. So essentially a cube surrounded by a forcefield. 

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9 hours ago, Chock said:

A. Chinese/Russian drone?

B. Alien craft?

C. Inter-dimensional visitor?

D. Time traveller?

E. Supernatural phenomenon?

F. U.S/NATO advanced secret craft?

G. Something else, completely beyond our comprehension?

 

A. Given that the Navy claimed that the Chinese were working on tech with a performance envelope like the tic tac displayed and that was why they needed the patents, maybe. 

B. We would have to consider the Fermi Paradox and why there's no evidence of technological civilisations out there. All it takes is one species to survive the "great filter" and they could colonise the galaxy within just two million years at the pedestrian velocities we can travel today. Thus, the galaxy should be replete with alien civilisations but we see none. 

C. Although science these days takes the idea of the multiverse and other dimensions very seriously, we don't have definitive evidence there are such realms. Also, if modern science is correct, they would be causally disconnected and there would be no way to visit those other realms. 

D. This would depend on whether paradox's are a real issue  and if the mere presence of a time traveller would disrupt the time line and change the future the time traveller intends to return too. Or, if traveling in time and disrupting the past actually creates a new time line and the time traveller simply returns to their own undisturbed time line. Without understanding if time travel is possible and how it would work we cant say how likely this is. 

E. There's so much we don't yet understand about the nature of reality, I guess we shouldn't rule it out.

F. An advanced US craft is a possibility I guess. Its possible that the tic tac vehicle was being tested on the Navy's own aircraft. Precisely why the tic tac seemed to know where the CAP was. 

G. We don't know what we don't know. 

 

Trouble is, all of the possibilities seem utterly fantastical. It would be just as incredible if the tic tac was an advanced drone, given that a Star Trek style inertial dampener would be required. It's difficult to imagine the US, China or Russia or some other nation making such a huge leap in technology. Especially when we consider  that the Fravor incident was way back in 2004. Could any nation keep such incredible technology secret so long?

I guess if I have to pick one of Alan's suggestions, I would have to go for a US advanced drone. But I'm still not happy with that choice. Again, this was way back in 2004. 17 years ago! Could the US really keep such advanced technology secret for 17 years. 

I should add, there is "H" and a "I".

H. Would be an ancient human civilisations that developed advanced technology a long time ago and are currently hidden away in the depths of the ocean. 

I. Would be that the entire thing is a disinformation campaign. 

 

Smooth acceleration and deceleration would be indicative of normal forms of propulsion. Anything way beyond our own technology would probably look like magic to us.

6 hours ago, cmpbellsjc said:

 

Although it’s not entirely out of the question that all these objects, even if they are not of this world, are unmanned drones being sent here for exploration. It would be hard to believe that any life form would be able to physically survive the g-forces exerted on them during witnessed maneuvers.

 

Yep, if all of this is exactly as reported, and indeed alien in origin, my guess is unmanned craft of some kind. We humans have some pretty advanced unmanned craft ourselves, so project that forward a few hundreds or thousands of years and any advanced species would have AI controlled drones of mind-blowing capability. No need for squidgy things inside. 

Perhaps the bigger craft that some say they see, like the infamous black triangles, are manned. the tic tac guys perhaps unmanned. 

Big or small, manned or unmanned, if the physics defying manoeuvres are true we are talking about inertial dampening. 

Edited March 16, 20215 yr by martin-w

Once we develop the space elevator, earth launched vehicles will become a thing of the past... 

1 hour ago, n4gix said:

Once we develop the space elevator, earth launched vehicles will become a thing of the past... 

 

Actually, with carbon nanotubes, we may soon have the capability to manufacture cables strong enough. 👍

The problem actually holding up development of a space elevator, is not the requirement for a strong enough material for the support structure, it's that they still have to figure out how to get the space elevator to play The Girl From Ipanema in a vacuum. 🚀

Plus... place a huge counterweight in orbit to attach our super strong cables too. And if the cables snapped... YIKES! Just consider that miles long cable whipping around the countryside. 

On 3/16/2021 at 2:35 PM, martin-w said:

Actually, with carbon nanotubes, we may soon have the capability to manufacture cables strong enough. 👍

Even if we can proper create the woven carbon nano-tubes, there remains the problem of just how it could be deployed!

We would need to develop crawling nano-bots programmed to both create the carbon nano-tubes in-situ, but also to create the cable from the geo-synchronous anchor back towards the ground. Prime locations for the elevator's ground stations would be on the equator.

Finally, as you have stated in another reply, we would have to solve the problem of 'whipping'...

11 hours ago, n4gix said:

Even if we can proper create the woven carbon nano-tubes, there remains the problem of just how it could be deployed!

We would need to develop crawling nano-bots programmed to both create the carbon nano-tubes in-situ, but also to create the cable from the geo-synchronous anchor back towards the ground. Prime locations for the elevator's ground stations would be on the equator.

Finally, as you have stated in another reply, we would have to solve the problem of 'whipping'...

 

Hmm... I tell you were it would be easier, Mars and the Moon. Less gravity. In fact its been said that Kevlar would suffice. 

Forget about space elevators. What I want is a good, solid and dependable Eagle Transporter. That design has always looked realistic to me.

Edited March 18, 20215 yr by Christopher Low

Eagle Transporter?

This one...  😀

4 hours ago, martin-w said:

Hmm... I tell you were it would be easier, Mars and the Moon. Less gravity. In fact its been said that Kevlar would suffice. 

There won't be much need for a space elevator on either the moon or Mars for the next many years though...