Not sure how many of us are familiar with this incident but if you'd like to watch the video below, it will explain all. All aviation enthusiasts here, so perhaps we are more likely to generate plausible explanations.

 

 

If the pilots are telling the truth, then I am not sure that there are any plausible explanations for this incident. By the way, do we know the rough size of this "tic tac" object?

32 minutes ago, Christopher Low said:

If the pilots are telling the truth, then I am not sure that there are any plausible explanations for this incident. By the way, do we know the rough size of this "tic tac" object?

 

Fravor said it was about the same size as his F18 Chris. So that's about 40 feet long. 

I'm pretty sure the pilots are truthful, Fravor is a highly experienced well respected commander. Fravor and some of the other pilots who witnessed this and a pilot from a similar 2015 incident have been interviewed by members of congress. 

A radar operator from the Princeton has also come forward with his account. Apparently they had been seeing these objects dropping down from the max ceiling of the Spy One radar, so 80,000 feet, to just above the ocean in seconds. That was confirmed to Fravor too, when he landed back on the carrier. 

I guess its feasible that all the witnesses are lying, and that this is some kind of government disinformation campaign, but I doubt it. I think they witnessed something very unusual. 

Weirdly, which raises more questions than it answers,  NARCAD  that develops advanced weaponry for the navy, have patents for a vehicle identical to the tic tac. 

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/28729/docs-show-navy-got-ufo-patent-granted-by-warning-of-similar-chinese-tech-advances

But of course, the Navy with the inertial dampening technology that would be required to perform like the tic tac allegedly did would be just as fantastical as alien visitors. I mean it would be Star Trek technology. And why would the Navy have patents in the public domain, they would have secret patents, which is quite common. 

This was the radar operators account.

 

 

 

The account of Chad Underwood,  who launched from the carrier and filmed it with his ATFLIR is below...

 

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/12/tic-tac-ufo-video-q-and-a-with-navy-pilot-chad-underwood.html

 

 

Edited March 15, 20215 yr by martin-w

Lex Friedman interviews Frarvor. Fascinating! 3:52 is where Fravor talks and Lex stops rambling. 

 

 

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It's just gotta be swamp gas, right?

 

RIGHT???

 

😉

One of the, I suppose you could say 'interesting' things about this and many other UFO sightings, is that a lot of these vehicles - if they are indeed vehicles - appear to be able to change direction, accelerate and decelerate immediately, but there is the possibility that this is only the appearance of them being able to do that. 

If we were to speculate that these things, whatever they are, were indeed craft of some kind, and that they used some kind of gravitational device to propel them, which I assume would leave no exhaust since it would not be using reactive thrust to move it around, then there is the possibility that the gravitational source of power might then also bend light as a side effect of the engine creating its own local gravity source. And if that was the case, what you saw from certain angles which looked like the thing moving around, might not actually be movement and directional changes in the sense of actually changing locale, but simply the light coming to you giving that appearance because it was bending and shifting around.

Beyond this notion, the thing might also be warping space time to get around, so not actually moving very much at all in terms of thrust, but simply bending and manipulating its environment and then switching its gravity engine off when it gets to a new location. I suppose that might then appear to give the appearance of it physically changing location instantaneously. If it did bend the electromagnetic spectrum, then presumably this visual effect might also mean radars and FLIRs etc would be similarly fooled into detecting what appeared to be traditional movements which appeared to defy physics in terms of traditional transport methods which we understand.

Anything that advanced is going to look like 'impossible' magic to us, at least until we advance to the point where we could do it too.

The US Navy patents are along the lines you mention Chock.

To cut a long story short. At first the patent office rejected the patent application, becuse it was essentially science fiction and not plausible. So the Navy top brass included further documentation and the assurance that the vehicle was operable. The patent office then immediately accepted the patent. Two further patents were applied for, one for a table top sized fusion reactor and also a room temperature superconductor. Both science fiction you would presume, but you guessed it, the patent office accepted all of the patents. The US Navy insisted they needed the patents because the Chinese were working on this tech.

The mysterious scientist behind these patent was Salvatore Cezar Pais.

And yes, strangely the vehicles in the patents have performance exactly like the tic tac UFO's. In fact in the patent, it even looks like a tic tac.

The patents raise more questions than they answer. like why on earth the Navy would have patents in the open, rather than classified patents.

 

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The United States Secretary of Navy is listed as the assignee on several radical aviation technologies patented by an aerospace engineer working at the Naval Air Warfare Center Aircraft Division (NAWCAD) headquarters in Patuxent River, Maryland. One of these patents describes a "hybrid aerospace-underwater craft" claimed to be capable of truly extraordinary feats of speed and maneuverability in air, water, and outer space alike thanks to a revolutionary electromagnetic propulsion system. 

 

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Sound far fetched? You’re not alone. 

A primary patent examiner at the United States Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO) thought so too. But then the Chief Technical Officer (CTO) of the Naval Aviation Enterprise personally wrote a letter addressed to the examiner claiming that the U.S. needs the patent as the Chinese are already “investing significantly” in these aerospace technologies that sound eerily similar to the UFOs reported by Navy pilots in now well-known encounters. This raises the question, are the Chinese developing or even already flying craft leveraging similar advanced technology and is the Navy now scrambling to catch up?

 

 

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imply that Navy leadership knows that these technologies are actually feasible – or that they want us or someone else to think that they are. 

 

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Little information can be found about Salvatore Cezar Pais; he has virtually no web presence. What is known is that he received a PhD in Mechanical and Aerospace Engineering from Case Western Reserve University in 1999 and that he currently works as an aerospace engineer for NAWCAD at Naval Air Station Patuxent River in Maryland – the Navy’s top aircraft test base. Pais has published several articles and presented papers at American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics conferences over the years describing his work in electromagnetic propulsion, revolutionary room temperature superconductors, and topics like his PhD dissertation: "Bubble generation under reduced gravity conditions for both co-flow and cross-flow configurations."

 

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Pais is named as the inventor on four separate patents for which the U.S. Navy is the assignee: a curiously-shaped “High Frequency Gravitational Wave Generator;” a room temperature superconductor; an electromagnetic ‘force field’ generator that could deflect asteroids; and, perhaps the strangest of all, one titled “Craft Using An Inertial Mass Reduction Device.” While all are pretty outlandish-sounding, the latter is the one that the Chief Technical Officer of the Naval Aviation Enterprise personally vouched for in a letter to the USPTO, claiming the Chinese are already developing similar capabilities.

 

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The concept is fairly simple, although the engineering required to make it a reality is anything but. All matter contains energy on the quantum level. By theoretically creating its own incredibly dense and polarized energy field, the hybrid craft is claimed to be able to create a quantum 'vacuum' around itself which allows it to repel any air or water molecules with which it interacts. Thus, the craft can essentially ignore aerodynamic or hydrodynamic forces, or so it is claimed in the patent. 

 

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/28729/docs-show-navy-got-ufo-patent-granted-by-warning-of-similar-chinese-tech-advances

 

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It is also important to note that if the Navy had wanted this patent to remain classified, it could have filed the patent under the Invention Secrecy Act of 1951 (35 U.S.C. ch. 17), a law which allows patents to remain classified if they might pose a possible threat to the national security of the United States. Instead, all of Pais' patents are currently fully available to the public. If such a propulsion technology was so revolutionary and if the Navy indeed wanted to keep this technology out of others' hands, it’s curious that they would choose to make the patent public. Maybe the Navy is signaling to its adversaries that it, too, is aware of this revolutionary capability and to whom it belongs.

 

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I would tend to believe it more likely to be a super advanced vehicle if it DID accelerate and decelerate when changing direction. The fact that it did not tends to make me think it is an optical illusion of some sort, the 'object' (if it is an object with mass) is not really doing what your eyes tell you that it is doing.

If it was accelerating and decelerating normally but also super fast, they yes it was very likely to be a real object with one or more amazing capabilities. But it was not doing that.

In these patents, only the high frequency gravitational wave generator looks like a tic tac but did you read this bit in its patent:

 “it can be shown that the energy level (gain in potential energy) capable of annihilating a planet such as the Earth is on the order of 10 to the power 32 Joules (which may be achieved with the concept at hand...”.

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The world is going to dramatically change within the next few years.

31 minutes ago, Greggy_D said:

The world is going to dramatically change within the next few years.

I wouldn't hold you breath waiting for that to happen in relation to this thing - I suspect there's a lot of disinfo in all of these reports - but if you do, at least you can keep it fresh with a tic tac. 🙂

Anyway, which  do you reckon is most likely:

A. Chinese/Russian drone?

B. Alien craft?

C. Inter-dimensional visitor?

D. Time traveller?

E. Supernatural phenomenon?

F. U.S/NATO advanced secret craft?

G. Something else, completely beyond our comprehension?

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2 hours ago, Chock said:

 

Anyway, which  do you reckon is most likely:

A. Chinese/Russian drone?

B. Alien craft?

C. Inter-dimensional visitor?

D. Time traveller?

E. Supernatural phenomenon?

F. U.S/NATO advanced secret craft?

G. Something else, completely beyond our comprehension?

Considering these type of sightings have been going on for 1000’s of years and documented in ancient times in cave dwellings and artwork, my guess would be either B, C, or D.

I feel as humans there are so many things going on around us and in the universe that we don’t know about, are unaware or haven’t observed, that I can’t discount anything entirely.

It will be interesting however if hard evidence is ever truthfully disclosed to the public that yes, we’ve been and/or are being visited from  other life forms outside of this world.

Although it’s not entirely out of the question that all these objects, even if they are not of this world, are unmanned drones being sent here for exploration. It would be hard to believe that any life form would be able to physically survive the g-forces exerted on them during witnessed maneuvers.

3 hours ago, Chock said:

B. Alien craft?

The correct answer is always aliens.

3 hours ago, Chock said:

I wouldn't hold you breath waiting for that to happen in relation to this thing - I suspect there's a lot of disinfo in all of these reports - but if you do, at least you can keep it fresh with a tic tac. 🙂

Anyway, which  do you reckon is most likely:

A. Chinese/Russian drone?

B. Alien craft?

C. Inter-dimensional visitor?

D. Time traveller?

E. Supernatural phenomenon?

F. U.S/NATO advanced secret craft?

G. Something else, completely beyond our comprehension?

"but if you do, at least you can keep it fresh with a tic tac."

 

That was funny!🤣