10 hours ago, Anxu00 said:

Really? Oh yes, Google was my friend - found it.

Just in case you found the wrong thing (like FSET, which is better known)

https://github.com/stackTom/Ortho4XP_FSX_P3D

Ortho is just as good as x-plane. P3D’s complexity is the overlay later, which required scenproc to build (tricky!). Suggest making ortho with the linked product and downloading overlay from someone who has already built one. Or doing what i do for airliners, and flying without any overlay.

When I had my recent DXGI-related woes, I was recording my flight via OBS with multiple displays composited. That adds an extra load to the GPU. That said, the GPU never goes above about 50% usage overall. As with most people, CPU is my bottleneck. But I am installing Afterburner so I can monitor card temps etc. I may also remove the 2nd GPU and try to run the screen connected to it via a Thunderbolt adapter or on the internal GPU. Not sure what that might do to performance overall. 

I've decided - I will format / reinstall my main host PC. Not this week, maybe not next, but soon. And for the rest of my life. Oh, hang on... I will build a completely stock setup and test the hell out of it with up to date Windows and GPU drivers, then start re-introducing add-ons and testing as I go. If something in particular makes my system unstable, I'll find it. 2nd PC will be done after that.

On 3/16/2021 at 5:41 AM, 1st fltsimguy said:

While it's in the P3D forum, the OP asked the question to which I will answer.

Three years ago I moved to XP, now at v11.50+.  I took it slow to learn and decide on addons.

I quickly moved to ortho flying almost exclusively.  The planes available are amazingly precise.  I never have crashes.  My flying is smooth as silk and I have now an extremely robust and loaded sim.

So, choices.  I moved on from P3D and I was am a flightsim addict from sublogic days and every MS version up until P3D and then took P3D to V4.4...and then got out.  No venting required, happy as a clam.

For some reason my feeling is the exact opposite. I got into flight simulation in 2018 with FlightGear, then decided to get something more realistic: I was in between X-Plane and P3D, but ended up getting X-Plane because everyone was talking about how superior X-Plane is even compared to modded P3D and usual "I switched to X-Plane and never looked back" comments.

Oh boy, my experience was the exact opposite. I love simulating failures and noticed how lacking X-Plane add-ons in that regard. Not even mentioning lack of weather. I was fine with that until P3D v5, but then noticed how better P3D v5 looks compared to X-Plane, especially with default Enhanced Atmospherics / trueSKY. I had spent like $500 for add-ons for X-Plane by then, but decided to give P3D v5 a try anyway. I can only say that I love it, I wish I had gone with P3D instead of X-Plane. So far my only issue with P3D is flight dynamics and user interface, but in other aspects P3D feels a lot more polished than X-Plane to me.

Also there's freeware Ortho4P3D, which works exactly the same way with Ortho4XP.

Edited March 17, 20215 yr by BiologicalNanobot

6 hours ago, fluffyflops said:

ive changed the drivers back to 457.30 which is what ive been using since last novemember with no issues.

There ya go, I've rolled back my ATI drivers and surprisingly it's all good. I've had a flight in MSFS and one in P3D and apart from MSFS using 95% vram it was good. Let's see today 🙂

Just thought I'd share tonight's all-new frustration. I did the ECLG-EHAM sector again on camera. Almost flawless in every respect, even the landing which I usually tank. I get to the gate a happy man, I ask GSX to connect the jetway, nothing happens, I check the menu and it says the jetway is already operating and won't let me do anything else. 

When I look in-sim see that the jetway has basically flipped around to point in the other direction (as if in a mirror) and will not move at all. No amount of resetting GSX or Couatl will fix this - when I reset it the jetway appears back in the correct position but a copy of the jetway remains in the mirror position; if I disable and enable GSX the jetway and copy disappear and it re-draws in the right place, but as soon as I request any services from GSX it flips around again and gets stuck. I've never seen this behaviour before and I have no idea what might be causing it, but now I don't have my deboarding and that basically spoils the video, so once again I am doomed to repeat the process and hope it works next time.

Random faults like this are the bane of my existence. Anyone else ever seen this? Is it GSX? SODE? Sometimes restarting the sim is not an option!

 

11 minutes ago, neilhewitt said:

Random faults like this are the bane of my existence. Anyone else ever seen this? Is it GSX? SODE? Sometimes restarting the sim is not an option!

I've never had that happen to me using GSX or SODE, but I have had it happen using stock jetways.  I once saw multiple stock jetways caterpillar'ing across the tarmac like inchworms.  It was quite a sight.

Regarding your rebuild/format of the PC, and your desire to keep it stock and test...I do the same, I have the noblest of intentions to keep a new build stock and do extensive testing, and then add a single add-on and test again, etc. etc., but I am never able to do this.  I always end up installing 2 or 3 add-ons and then testing.  Then I can't resist it, and I install the full boat ("full boat" = every add on I have).  Kinda defeats the purpose.  But that's just me.  You may have more will-power.

2 hours ago, neilhewitt said:

Just thought I'd share tonight's all-new frustration. I did the ECLG-EHAM sector again on camera. Almost flawless in every respect, even the landing which I usually tank. I get to the gate a happy man, I ask GSX to connect the jetway, nothing happens, I check the menu and it says the jetway is already operating and won't let me do anything else. 

When I look in-sim see that the jetway has basically flipped around to point in the other direction (as if in a mirror) and will not move at all. No amount of resetting GSX or Couatl will fix this - when I reset it the jetway appears back in the correct position but a copy of the jetway remains in the mirror position; if I disable and enable GSX the jetway and copy disappear and it re-draws in the right place, but as soon as I request any services from GSX it flips around again and gets stuck. I've never seen this behaviour before and I have no idea what might be causing it, but now I don't have my deboarding and that basically spoils the video, so once again I am doomed to repeat the process and hope it works next time.

Random faults like this are the bane of my existence. Anyone else ever seen this? Is it GSX? SODE? Sometimes restarting the sim is not an option!

 

To be little safer. Before I fly any sectors, I  go to each airport and slew around in day time and night time. Checking the elevation, textures, buildings, gates, dynamic lighting,etc...
I have had several "incidents" that when I first installed them, they were working perfectly fine but after a while, with some changes to the scenery and addons / settings, it messes up the scenery.

I just had it yesterday, the airport I tested in the morning was working normally, no issues. Shut down the computer, go out, when I came back and power P3D up, the scenery went wild with big problem with elevation and ground texture, had to rework the AFCAD. No idea why that happened!

I'm in the middle of descending and suddenly my ATC window doesn't work anymore, cannot open GSX menu. Basically no ATC, no GSX after 9 hours of cruising.

Edited March 18, 20215 yr by Hoang

@neilhewitt, I've heard of this.  See here.  It could also be there's a problem with that particular jetway. 

David Vega

2 hours ago, Hoang said:

To be little safer. Before I fly any sectors, I  go to each airport and slew around in day time and night time. Checking the elevation, textures, buildings, gates, dynamic lighting,etc...
I have had several "incidents" that when I first installed them, they were working perfectly fine but after a while, with some changes to the scenery and addons / settings, it messes up the scenery.

I just had it yesterday, the airport I tested in the morning was working normally, no issues. Shut down the computer, go out, when I came back and power P3D up, the scenery went wild with big problem with elevation and ground texture, had to rework the AFCAD. No idea why that happened!

I'm in the middle of descending and suddenly my ATC window doesn't work anymore, cannot open GSX menu. Basically no ATC, no GSX after 9 hours of cruising.

This is important advice, so I want to echo it. I always, always check airports when I install them, as well as before I use them if I haven't in a while. It won't necessarily catch all bugs, and what Neil described here with regard to GSX/SODE definitely is in the range of a random bug that can pop up, but it can catch more 'permanent' issues. Unfortunately such random errors can occur when you're bound to a system where the base software runs on tons of addons to give a user the full functionality he or she wants. That's the paradox in LM's approach: they give developers immense freedom in making anything and everything for P3D, but then when something goes wrong they say "Ah! But you use all those addons! Disable them and it'll be fine again...".

Not to prolong the agony of this thread any longer... but if I were the superstitious type (I'm not), I would assume the fates have it in for me. Tried my flight again today, all going swimmingly until I came to engine start and noticed a message on the CAS saying the extinguisher bottle for engine 1 had been discharged. Well, I can promise you I didn't discharge it. And the extinguisher lever was in place and untouched. Score one more for random failures. To be fair, this aircraft (FeelThere E-Jets) has its fair share which may be a result of not being certified for v5 or might be my sim itself. If I advance the time in-sim, some switches may become randomly unresponsive. Since all the controls are implemented via a single C++ DLL, that would suggest internal state corruption.

I am starting to think perhaps the SSD that the add-on is installed on is corrupting files. Might explain my SODE problem yesterday. So I've downloaded the manufacturer SSD toolkit and am checking it thoroughly. And I may need to run a deep soak RAM test. Something is rotten in the state of Denmark, folks.

Ho hum. All part of the fun of the hobby, right? Grrrr. 

1 hour ago, neilhewitt said:

Not to prolong the agony of this thread any longer... but if I were the superstitious type (I'm not), I would assume the fates have it in for me. Tried my flight again today, all going swimmingly until I came to engine start and noticed a message on the CAS saying the extinguisher bottle for engine 1 had been discharged. Well, I can promise you I didn't discharge it. And the extinguisher lever was in place and untouched. Score one more for random failures. To be fair, this aircraft (FeelThere E-Jets) has its fair share which may be a result of not being certified for v5 or might be my sim itself. If I advance the time in-sim, some switches may become randomly unresponsive. Since all the controls are implemented via a single C++ DLL, that would suggest internal state corruption.

I am starting to think perhaps the SSD that the add-on is installed on is corrupting files. Might explain my SODE problem yesterday. So I've downloaded the manufacturer SSD toolkit and am checking it thoroughly. And I may need to run a deep soak RAM test. Something is rotten in the state of Denmark, folks.

Ho hum. All part of the fun of the hobby, right? Grrrr. 

Why do this to yourself? If you’re at the stage of posting “what’s the point” threads, why are you running a non-v5 compatible aircraft that is not very highly regarded in the first place??

Use a fully v5 compatible plane that is known to be stable (maddog, pmdg),  only use low-risk addons, ensure your PC system is up to speed and tuned well - I really do think it’s that simple.

1 hour ago, neilhewitt said:

Not to prolong the agony of this thread any longer... but if I were the superstitious type (I'm not), I would assume the fates have it in for me. Tried my flight again today, all going swimmingly until I came to engine start and noticed a message on the CAS saying the extinguisher bottle for engine 1 had been discharged. Well, I can promise you I didn't discharge it. And the extinguisher lever was in place and untouched. Score one more for random failures. To be fair, this aircraft (FeelThere E-Jets) has its fair share which may be a result of not being certified for v5 or might be my sim itself. If I advance the time in-sim, some switches may become randomly unresponsive. Since all the controls are implemented via a single C++ DLL, that would suggest internal state corruption.

I am starting to think perhaps the SSD that the add-on is installed on is corrupting files. Might explain my SODE problem yesterday. So I've downloaded the manufacturer SSD toolkit and am checking it thoroughly. And I may need to run a deep soak RAM test. Something is rotten in the state of Denmark, folks.

Ho hum. All part of the fun of the hobby, right? Grrrr. 

I gotta ask the same thing as @OzWhitey did: why keep going down this same path? Eithr you have the patience of the saint, or you're secretly enjoying it 🤣 Like I suggested, perhaps leave the Feelthere E170 for now and try it with the NGXu if you have it? I have found that to be one of my single most stable aircraft and if P3D crashes with another plane, the NGXu usually has no trouble completing the flight. Just give it a go... At least you will have finally completed this flight!

1 hour ago, Benjamin J said:

Either you have the patience of the saint, or you're secretly enjoying it 🤣

Maybe both 🙂

I like to fly in and out of EGLC, so I need something that actually does that. I've got the QW146, but it's old now. I could get the JF146 but I don't like steam gauges and we don't know when the Avro versions will show up. There's no A220 worth having, Whiskey Jet's project has gone to MSFS and may never see the light of day on P3D (I'd take a bet it won't), so the E-Jets is the default choice for an airliner. I do fly bizjets out of EGLC too, but I'm bored with that right now. 

In real life I'm a software developer. Troubleshooting and debugging is my bread and butter. So actually I do enjoy it, I just like to have a moan about it too! And I hate to give up because it's like admitting defeat.

But you may be right, perhaps time to switch gears to something that I know works well, for a while at least. Some time back in GA won't hurt. I was doing a cross-country tour in the Cessna 152; I may go back to that. 

I think this thread should die a peaceful death now 🙂.

Edited March 18, 20215 yr by neilhewitt

3 hours ago, neilhewitt said:

I can promise you I didn't discharge it.

Funny you should mention that, ok it was in FS with the Arrow but still, I was on the taxi to runway and all of a sudden the wheel chocks engaged by themselves so I know how you feel.

5 hours ago, neilhewitt said:

To be fair, this aircraft (FeelThere E-Jets) has its fair share which may be a result of not being certified for v5 or might be my sim itself.

@neilhewitt, I've been flying the FeelThere E190 for at least my last 15 flights on P3Dv5.  No issues.