4 minutes ago, Bjoern said:

Beta/Preview phase may be free under certain conditions (valid XP11 license?), final XP12 release will definitely have to be bought. Add-on compatibility (especially third party payware) not guaranteed; payware devs may charge XP11 customers for XP12-compatible release (albeit with discount). Proceed with caution before investing.

Thanks !

I have some time as I am looking into a new PC for X PLane 11, possibly MSFS if they ever get it to Flight Sim level. My new Flight Deck is also a work in progress but then again will it ever be "done".lol. My thoughts are to fly FSX with the new PC, flight deck. Gets the bugs worked out then upgrade the Flight Sim,

5 hours ago, Th1racer said:

My thoughts are to fly FSX with the new PC

If FSX floats your boat, XP11 is worth every penny/cent and more.

regardless of new stuff that is coming out, the volume of high quality freeware that's available will keep you entertained well beyond the point XP12 and MSFS are worthwhile.

Anyone spending any money now on cloud or weather addons before the release of XP12 must be mad. (Or indeed anything really? Unless I see the words 'Compatible with XP12' on the sales blurb my wallet stays firmly shut!)

Edited April 16, 20215 yr by jarmstro

42 minutes ago, jarmstro said:

Unless I see the words 'Compatible with XP12' on the sales blurb my wallet stays firmly shut!)

xp11 is still largely compatible with xp9 stuff dating back to like 2008, heck one of the "must have" plugins for any would be tuber (autogate) hasn't needed to be updated for 8 years.

Why on earth would you think that trend is going to stop?

Old stuff won't (necessarily) get new features, and part finished payware may never be finished, but making people pay multiple times for an identical product is not a game Laminar ever let devs get away with (surely a key reason why certain devs avoid it).

25 minutes ago, mSparks said:

xp11 is still largely compatible with xp9 stuff dating back to like 2008, heck one of the "must have" plugins for any would be tuber (autogate) hasn't needed to be updated for 8 years.

Why on earth would you think that trend is going to stop?

Old stuff won't (necessarily) get new features, and part finished payware may never be finished, but making people pay multiple times for an identical product is not a game Laminar ever let devs get away with (surely a key reason why certain devs avoid it).

OK. Then if so all that is necessary, as I said, is for the words 'Compatible with XP12' to be added to the sales screen? But it's not because the developers can't be sure it will be.

10 hours ago, Th1racer said:

OH for the Love of it all ! lol ! Im just looking into updating my Rig and Flight deck for X-Plane 11. Should I wait ? J/K im going in ! Been in this wait for this or that for 2 long ! BUT riddle me this BatMan Pilots as I am new to looking into X-Plane. Lets say they will come out with - 12 will it be a charged upgrade or free, will addon's still work etc bases on X-Planes past ?

Thanks !

I would be surprised if 12 breaks any add-ons, as most of that side of things has being taken care of. But we shall wait and see.

4 hours ago, mjrhealth said:

I would be surprised if 12 breaks any add-ons, as most of that side of things has being taken care of. But we shall wait and see.

Considering XP 11.50 vulkan broke so many addons it can easily be deduced that 12.0 changes will do similar.

Edited April 16, 20215 yr by Greazer

6 hours ago, jarmstro said:

s for the words 'Compatible with XP12'

Absolutely nobody anywhere ever announced compatibility with a product that hasn't even been announced yet, last I heard they haven't even decided on the name yet.

22 minutes ago, mSparks said:

Absolutely nobody anywhere ever announced compatibility with a product that hasn't even been announced yet, last I heard they haven't even decided on the name yet.

I know. That's why I'm not risking my money.

6 minutes ago, Greazer said:

Considering XP 11.50 vulkan broke so many addons it can easily be deduced that 12.0 changes will do similar.

for example? I'm not aware of any plugin or plane that worked before 11.50 that didn't work afterwards.

5 minutes ago, jarmstro said:

I know. That's why I'm not risking my money.

On what exactly? Or are we talking purely hypothetically?

Vulkan only broke librain as far as I know, but itself is broken on my PC as it falls back to Opengl.

XP12 will have to compete FS2020, good luck with that...

1 hour ago, mSparks said:

On what exactly? Or are we talking purely hypothetically?

I mean that I am not spending any money on any more addons unless the developer can give me a guarantee that it will work with XP12. Because I'm going to buy XP12 which will replace my current install. You seem certain that addons will be compatible. Why then will no developer state that this is the case if not that the addon might not be?

(In view of the fact that the rumour mill says that weather upgrades are likely in XP12 I would bet that no XP11 environmental addon will work.)

Edited April 16, 20215 yr by jarmstro

12 minutes ago, Mike44 said:

Vulkan only broke librain as far as I know, but itself is broken on my PC as it falls back to Opengl.

It broke sceneries (invalid objects), broke aircraft, broke addons/ librain, broke performance (nvidia systems), broke stability (crash to desktop's still going on today), broke xEnviro, broke the mountains (floating), broke brightness (flickering), broke shadows (more jagged now)

Edited April 16, 20215 yr by Greazer

Vulkan didn't break anything for me, all my planes work, the scenarios work, script lua work, reshade work, and I also had double the fps than before. 🙄