I'd have to check on that, I dont know of the top of my head.

>>>>Personally, I like the 'GAME' just as it is, FSX graphics>are>>good, performance is good and all-in-all worth the $70 (or>so)>> - for me, it's an 'escape' from reality 'NOT' my life! >>>>BTW, This SITE too, deserves much better respect for the>>'POSITIVE SERVICES' it provides us (often with inside>advance>>information on upcoming patch releases) than the negativity>>and abusive comments seemingly becoming more prevalent in>the>>forums towards MICROSOFT and many of the freeware designers>>all of which are the reason we visit!>>>>>>Terry, >>IndiaPapa >>>That's exactly how I also feel Terry.>>SteliosWell in that case - I have this GREAT BIG ROCK in the middle of Australia - You can buy it for a song - It's a great tourist attraction and generates absolutely $Millions every year - Email me

Call out the Troll Patrol...

>>>>>>Where have you been for the past 30+ years? Commercial>>>software has always been marketed this way! It's>>>always been a licensed product...>>>>>>>heh. I got the same reaction from someone else in another>>thread.>>I'm not surprised... ;)>>>Not *all* commercial software has been marketed that way. >But>>most, yes. And in the last 10 years, seems like 99% of it.>>Can anyone name any? Just one would do... :9 >>Unless you received the source code for the comercial>software, you wouldn't "own" the product. You'd merely have a>license to use it.>>Actually there ARE some companies that are smart enough to SELL you the source code (under VERY Strict conditions) - its just a "different" marketing model that intelligent companies use as an advantage over their oposition - IT WORKS for them - they also get to "recommend" Hardware (which - surprise surprise - they sell) and the consumer is able to change the software (at their OWN expense) whichever way they feel free - at any further point that the consumer decides that they want a DIFFERENT hardware platform - then they just pay the money and re-compileYes - these programmes cost 6 figures or more but they DO EXIST and are FULLY supported for years and years with updates as required (at a price)Some of them were even DUMB ENOUGH to write the original code for Windows - but they soon learnt better

>and see what I can get permission to>discuss.>>hthNow theres one of the MOST HONEST ANSWERS I have seenPeople here seem to think that I am shooting at you - I am NOT - I feel sorry for you - you are just the poor bunny that has been given this horrendous job of "FIXING" the gigantic Stuffup that "Upstairs" has created in its ferver to launch the VISTA Monster upon the unsuspecting PublicI wish you well in your quest

Actually, Ozzie, we all feel sorry for you.Stuffup? That sounds British...or is it Welsh?

>Actually, Ozzie, we all feel sorry for you.>>Stuffup? That sounds British...or is it Welsh?Actually Jack - It neither bothers me nor upsts me because in the end you will be the loserI am quite happy to wear the crown of Paranoid - because I have seen all this garbage aproaching for years - ever since I resigned "on Principle" from these leachesI just happen to be of the opinion (is that allowed here) that it is nothing whatsoever to do with FSX - IT IS MORE to do with VistaPerhaps some of the following may be of interest http://www.arnnet.com.au/index.php/id;7680622;fp;16;fpid;1http://www.tgdaily.com/2005/10/22/rtf_eula/It is just MHO that the heirachy of the Giant has become so used to being able to manipulate Court Decisions in their favour in the US that they have become blinded to the fact that the rest of the world does not actually swallow their garbage anymore I would be the 1st to admit that there is piracy about - and more than likely in the areas that Bulmer is naming - BUT - He does not actually seem to realise that the CONSUMER (whether Business or Private) is just getting a wee tad sick to death of being CONTROLLED just because MS wants them to be It is no longer about combatting piracy - IF IT WERE - THEN it says a LOT for the you- beaut SECURITY of Vista It is more about MS just wanting to extract more $ out of anyone in their sights - since the major players in the Business World appear to have told them exactly where they can put their stupid frilly little excuse for an OS - They have decided to TARGET the Consumer market Now - lets see - how best to achieve THAT since the Business Market is too smart to fall for the advertising BS? - AHAH - lets just release a VERY POPULAR Game that "Everyone" is screaming for just before xmas (after the magnificent FLOP of Vista on the Business Market) - and lets tell everyone that it was especially written for Vista (Gee Whizz - that has proven to be a LIE ) (Hello! - if you disagree with THAT comment then read "the Blogs" ) - its all a matter of "MARKETING" - it has nothing whatsoever to do with producing a "good" or even acceptable Product - Just MARKETING of the greater vision - that is the infitration of MS into everyones livesSome naive people will answer - so! - what is wrong with that IF it combats Piracy? - Hello! - IF that is your attitude then I am sorry - I have to disagree with you - for a start - it OBVIOUSLY DOES NOT COMBAT PIRACY - hence Bulmers comments - so much for the FANTASIC NEW SECURITY - Vista is already "on sale" in various parts of the World with ALL of this DRM and WGA garbage disabled - HELLO AGAIN! - so much for their fantastic security There are a few people here that actually were smart enough to recognise that I did at one stage in my career have "inside knowledge" - I heard the GRAND PLAN way back last Century more or less just before I resigned from one of the BEST PAID jobs I EVER had There is obviously a LOT of water under the bridge since then and I actually feel quite sorry for the poor #### that has to stand-up the FS Community and try and placate them with half truths that he is ALLOWED to say - I do NOT ENVY his possition - I HOPE that he is being PAID appropriately This is NOT about FSX - IT is about VISTA Have any of you actually looked closely at VISTA? There is a fair to moderate chance that a LOT of your software WILL NOT work under it Do some research for yourselves There is no way known that I am blaming poor Phil for doing the job that he is being paid to doThe Problem lies FAR HigherAnd if you are actually have any "processing power" left - you may wish to consider some of the Google entries about "Anti-Trust" - I think that is still a CRIME in the USOR perhaps some Google on the "fortunes" of MS in Europe - hey - they appear not to like the "methods?" usedLike I said - DO SOME RESEARCH for yourselfIt is not about FSX - IT IS about controling the World

Ozzie,I thought your apology was sincere at the other site, but I can see it was not!Jimhttp://www.hifisim.com/Active Sky V6 Development Team Active Sky V6 Proud SupporterHiFi Beta TeamRadar Contact Supporter: http://www.jdtllc.com/AirSource Member: http://www.air-source.us/FSEconomy Member:http://www.fseconomy.com/

I really thought I had banned you.It must have slipped my mind.

OK, now I know. He's Welsh.

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OK guys, let me make a prediction. SP1 will be out on the 1st March!!!Any bets?Stelios

I can tell you now that isnt the date. I promised in one of the many threads here to come back and discuss where we were on SP1 by the end of the 1st week of March. So given that previous statement, the above prediction is jumping the gun.

>I can tell you now that isnt the date. >>I promised in one of the many threads here to come back and>discuss where we were on SP1 by the end of the 1st week of>March. >>So given that previous statement, the above prediction is>jumping the gun.Gee, Phil! You're turning into quite the wet blanket, aren't you??:)VicVisit the Virtual Pilot's Centerwww.flightadventures.comhttp://www.hifisim.com/Active Sky V6 Proud SupporterRadar Contact Supporter: http://www.jdtllc.com/

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