20 minutes ago, Gazzareth said:

But don't let facts ruin your narrative...

I agree! Let me further your point: I've applied for RXP Market Place more than 10 months ago. This consists in applying, then waiting they get back with more questions and paperwork, in a multi-step process as it is expected. So at this stage, we're just at the send a request step.

Prior, we were in contact with a Microsoft representative signing NDA and he was organizing a conf call with Jorg around March 2020. Since that time, they are not answering any email, nor our voice mails, nor our 3rd party dev forum posts, nothing. They're not returning back to us for the market place either.

I agree with you therefore it helps to showcasing your work, but in this case, they are really making their best to prevent a 20 years old renowned vendor from making Microsoft FS2020 customers enjoying our superior products from what anyone has produced before...

And before someone adds "but didn't you get a contact from WT lately", yes I did, but this doesn't change prior facts and it is not putting us in any different position regarding our market place application.*

*RXP is not just a bunch of Garmin products, but until we're on the market place, you won't benefit from the other products we have in the pipe. Ironically, these are done using the JS/HTML and WASM SDK as-is.

Edited May 21, 20215 yr by RXP
clarification about our products and the market place.

8 minutes ago, Cristi_Neagu said:

You quoted someone literally talking about the Arrow crashing into the beautiful scenery because of FS2020, so...

 

I fixed it, it was a typo, I hit the reply on the wrong quote.

I think you just like to argue for the sake of arguing, you sound like a public defender trying to beat the dream team. I'm not the dream team, it's just that you literally try to argue every single point anyone makes and it's unfocused, hence disagreeing with everything. Every time we say something, you just the state opposite regardless of whether it's true or not.

Probably better places to find more interesting arguments than here, maybe a cosmetics forum from the Kardashians would suit you better?

Edited May 21, 20215 yr by Alpine Scenery

1 minute ago, Alpine Scenery said:

maybe a cosmetics forum from the Kardashians would suit you better?

really? why?

Superficial...

 

@Alpine SceneryIf I said something that is wrong, you are more than welcome to point it out and tell me why it's wrong. But what i get instead is an ad hominem. So it sounds to me like you're arguing with me for the sake of arguing. You sound like a public defender trying to protect the dream team. Well, i'm not here to attack the dream team. I'm here to point out that as things stand right now, FS2020 will not be capable of supporting the same level of addons as FSX.

8 minutes ago, Alpine Scenery said:

Every time we say something, you just the state opposite regardless of whether it's true or not.

If you look back through the posts, you'll see that most everyone else is doing that with my posts. I always say why i say the things i say. I explain myself to what i consider to be a sufficient level, and i point out where you can get more info on certain topics, such as the JustFlight forum. And what do I get in response: the equivalent of "FS2020 is simply better!" whether that is true or not.

Like i said: please point out what i said that's wrong, and tell me why it's wrong.

1 minute ago, Cristi_Neagu said:

Like i said: please point out what i said that's wrong, and tell me why it's wrong.

I agree this time, you're derailing the topic!

I'd rather see posts pointing out not what you said which is wrong or right, rather what FS2020 is doing wrong or right with third party developers and the SDK. It is not a matter of personal opinion, in my opinion (yes I know... ironic isn't it?), but a matter of how the 3rd party vendors which have been supporting this community in providing the closest to aviation possible experience, joy, knowledge, camaraderie, can continue to do so for you (and us) the simmers.

40 minutes ago, Cristi_Neagu said:

To paraphrase Treebeard: We post long threads because it's worth taking the time to write them.

Ask yourself - Who cares enough to read them?

Cheers

bs

Edited May 21, 20215 yr by bean_sprout

Just now, bean_sprout said:

Who is going to read them?

haha, good point, but he is just saying it is worth taking the time to write them though. 😉

FSX was much more a PITA than FS 2020, as far as SDK's go and airport development. As far as planes go, it depends what you are doing, some things were better and easier in FSX, like setting the parameters of the performance. Howeer the C++ coding stuff was a pain. They encapsulated a lot of the SDK using JS like stuff, that is much much easier than C++ from the old days. That said, a lot of people just want their old code to work without issues, but a lot of ported stuff is causing CTD's. For airport design, almost nothing was easier than what can now be done in MSFS, except fences and opening up the initial airport. P3D was the absolute worst PITA in the world for development.

SimConnect still exists and so does FSUIPC, many of the limitations mentioned before are just because people have to redo stuff. There was also a lot of custom C++ that had to be done prior for certain things. It's 6 of one, or a half dozen of another.

It's not to say that there aren't some REALLY annoying issues in MSFS development, there are as I've seen them myself, it's just not as tedious as it used to be, even with the bugs that now exist. It's just harder to figure out how to do stuff because the documentation isn't the best, but FSX development was complicated as hell.

Edited May 21, 20215 yr by Alpine Scenery

1 minute ago, RXP said:

haha, good point, but he is just saying it is worth taking the time to write them though. 😉

Exactly - a huge waste of time when you could be flying in the already perfect MSFS.

Regards

bs

1 hour ago, bean_sprout said:

Exactly - a huge waste of time when you could be flying in the already perfect MSFS.

Regards

bs

bs, I do not want to be argumentative here but,  You have to be the only one who thinks MSFS is perfect.  It has some very prominent problems in the form of bugs and breakages. These affect many people in many different ways.  

Regardess of the SDK argument going on here, I think what is basically wrong with MSFS is the obsession with updates and these updates are a mixed bag of updates to things that are not really necessary, fixes and breakages.   By that, I mean, that MS/Asobo, in my very humble opinion, should be fixing the past and present breakages and bugs, to make MSFS the perfection you see, before doing updates.  I know that it lacks a few things and that graphics are great if one is flying in an area with current satellite coverage. It really does need fixing first though.
The SDK issue is also one that needs to be advanced in order to be advanced. This is so that developers like RXP can release their products to us. In other words, If MSFS can fix what is broken and advance the SDK, then I believe the 3PDs will give us something very much more approaching perfection.  This is the area which I describe as the incredible POTENTIAL for MSFS2020.

Before anyone screams, please note that I am aware that I am not in possession of "facts" in this opinion. I am simply expressing what I believe is the biggest detractor from this platform moving ahead of where it is now.  Updates can come later.

Regards

Tony     

 

46 minutes ago, himmelhorse said:

bs, I do not want to be argumentative here but,  You have to be the only one who thinks MSFS is perfect.  It has some very prominent problems in the form of bugs and breakages. These affect many people in many different ways. 

I don't care.  Let those suffer in their own self indulgences.  because personally I don't believe their whines. I say start giving some support to the product of your hobby.  

Cheers

bs

bs,

I think that encouraging them to fix their product is "support"  If they don't fix problems then they lose customers. I have given them my money for the platform, and that, too, is support. I do not, however, support their marketplace strategy as I very firmly believe that, that, is strangling 3PDs and therefore, considerable advancement to the platform is being curtailed. I also believe that this is a very definite conceived and planned strategy and it is all to do with making money in preference to making a "perfect" flight simulator platform. My personal opinion.

I was not denigrating you in what I said in that post and I had no intention of doing that. The fact remains, MSFS2020 is far from perfect. The very fact that MS/Asobo release "updates" indicates to me, that even MS and Asobo do not think MSFS2020 is perfect. If it was, then updates would be unnecessary. True?

Personally, I like to wallow in perfection too, but MSFS is not there yet, and with their currently "personally perceived" attitude, they won't be for quite a while.

Regards

Tony

 

55 minutes ago, himmelhorse said:

The fact remains, MSFS2020 is far from perfect. The very fact that MS/Asobo release "updates" indicates to me, that even MS and Asobo do not think MSFS2020 is perfect. If it was, then updates would be unnecessary. True?

Personally, I like to wallow in perfection too, but MSFS is not there yet, and with their currently "personally perceived" attitude, they won't be for quite a while.

Regards

Tony

 

I think bs is having fun with us here, best option is to ignore him..

😉

Edited May 22, 20215 yr by Bert Pieke

26 minutes ago, Bert Pieke said:

I think bs is having fun with us here, best option is to ignore him..

😉

You would have to be sick to take any of this seriously.  But then sick is a good thing in my sons opinion.

Regards

bs

Edited May 22, 20215 yr by bean_sprout