Ok, my (fairly) recently built supercomputer apparently can’t run windows 11, the first time ever I have not been eligable for the beta of a new MS operating system.

Whuts’ the problem? Well you see, my computer has no built-in Trusted Computing Module, a thingy that MS in all its wisdom seems intent on forcing upon all potential users of its new OS.

Oh! But wait! My motherboard has a header for me to plug one right in, and it seems that they are fairly chea…

Oh.

Well. The scalpers have arrived, retailers everywhere are abruptly out of stock, and now these previously $25 (maximum) cards are going for $100 or more on Ebay.

Of course.

Thanks Microsoft. 

Let the circus begin!

Microsoft’s Windows 11 TPM Requirement Has Scalpers Seeing Green, Consumers Seeing Red

What's the rush to 11 anyway?

Hiflyer,

Just trying to help.... Have you checked in your bios? TCM needs to be turned on in the bios, otherwise windows 11 thinks you don't have it. All modern motherboards (should) have it....

There are instructions on YT.

 

13 hours ago, Silicus said:

Hiflyer,

Just trying to help.... Have you checked in your bios? TCM needs to be turned on in the bios, otherwise windows 11 thinks you don't have it. All modern motherboards (should) have it....

There are instructions on YT.

 

Thanks, I found all that out at the last minute, earlier today, and have since been on downtime, getting my programs reinstalled.....

13 hours ago, fppilot said:

What's the rush to 11 anyway?

I am the designated house tech support and and on-call Guinea pig.

I get to try things like this out first, and get to take a bullet for the team so that by the time family members decide (if they do) to make the switch, I've already learned the pitfalls and ins and outs, and can help them have smooth-(er) sailing.

I am also the family helpdesk.

A little more research, even on the Avsim forums would have revealed that this is a non-issue. The apparent incompatibility with older CPUs is far more likely to cause problems but in each case, it is far too early to start inflammatory topics. Along with you, I hope that the "scalpers" get burnt to a crisp by their actions but I fear that a great many of those who also fail to research the problem before acting will get burnt as well.

 

It will be hilarious is M$ drops the TPM requirement and all these scalpers are stuck with huge boxes filled with TPM modules.

8 hours ago, Reader said:

it is far too early to start inflammatory topics.

So when is the time? Somebody out there is buying up all those modules suddenly, and it can't all be scalpers.

I myself literally had never noticed the obscure settings in the bios necessary to activate this stuff, and I'm actually a person that is in the bios pretty often for overclocking purposes.

All your average person is gonna to know is that they have a big notice from Microsoft saying they need a TPM thingy, or they can't use the new version of windows.

Then half the people I know will give up right then and there (too complicated, fudge Microsoft) or they will google TPM and quickly get lost (Like I pretty much did, before finally taking up the scent after some more detailed searches)

They will then find out that it's actually not all that simple.

Have you activated PTT? (What the hecks that?)

Have you modified your other Bios trusted computing settings? (Well whut' the heck are those?)

Is your hard drive GPT? If not, how do you convert it, and now why won't your computer boot??

Does your Inbuilt TPM pass attestation? (Huh? Whuts' that?)

It's been an interesting day, and moreover, there is absolutely no freaking way on the planet most of the people I know, and probably millions of others out there are not going to be knee deep in fudge before this is over.

Honestly a lot of people are gonna think they bricked their computers after they switch their bios settings and suddenly their drives can't be accessed.......

I would agree that "most people" are neither knowledgeable about nor indeed interested in the inner workings of their PC. All they want is for it to work and I expect that Microsoft want the same. Announcing this early and watching the reactions, whether informed, alarmist or a calm assessment of what is required, will no doubt save them millions in customer research, much as was done with the early announcement and the so called "beta testing" of MSFS. 

For the record, I have assessed the requirements and installed the developer release. It is installed as an update and so far, the apparent changes are mostly cosmetic. I am sure that, as there always is, there will be an outcry from the Luddites, but a little time spent familiarising ones self with the new layout should solve the problem. Those that are still on Windows 7 and earlier will be unaffected.

In any event, no one needs to do anything unless they wish to until at least 2025.

Edited July 1, 20214 yr by Reader

Actually, you may not need to buy a dedicated TPM module to plug into your motherboard. Your CPU will likely have fTPM available to make it compatible with Windows 11 (but would have to be enabled in BIOS).

Here's a list of CPUs that are "Windows 11 Ready".

https://www.pcworld.com/article/3623192/what-cpus-can-run-windows-11.html

and this article is worth a read too: https://www.pcworld.com/article/3623812/do-not-buy-a-tpm-for-windows-11-yet.html

3 hours ago, Reader said:

I would agree that "most people" are neither knowledgeable about nor indeed interested in the inner workings of their PC. All they want is for it to work and I expect that Microsoft want the same. Announcing this early and watching the reactions, whether informed, alarmist or a calm assessment of what is required, will no doubt save them millions in customer research, much as was done with the early announcement and the so called "beta testing" of MSFS. 

For the record, I have assessed the requirements and installed the developer release. It is installed as an update and so far, the apparent changes are mostly cosmetic. I am sure that, as there always is, there will be an outcry from the Luddites, but a little time spent familiarising ones self with the new layout should solve the problem. Those that are still on Windows 7 and earlier will be unaffected.

In any event, no one needs to do anything unless they wish to until at least 2025.

Actually, if you are running Win10 HOME (not Pro), according to several websites, you will not be able to stop the update to 11 unless your PC doesn't support its requirements. If you are running Pro, apparently one can stop the update.

13 hours ago, pgde said:

Actually, if you are running Win10 HOME (not Pro), according to several websites, you will not be able to stop the update to 11 unless your PC doesn't support its requirements. If you are running Pro, apparently one can stop the update.

So, in other words, you will be assimilated into Windows 11, resistance is futile.

Windows 11 will like Windows 10 be offered as an upgrade not forced, the same as W7 to W10 you will be told in 2025 that W10 will no longer receive support.

Just for Fun.

 word not allowed finds out his PC can’t run Windows 11 - YouTube

On 6/30/2021 at 10:06 PM, HiFlyer said:

I am the designated house tech support and and on-call Guinea pig.

I get to try things like this out first, and get to take a bullet for the team so that by the time family members decide (if they do) to make the switch, I've already learned the pitfalls and ins and outs, and can help them have smooth-(er) sailing.

I am also the family helpdesk.

My greatest skill in tech wisdomship: Knowing how to DIScourage upgrades of any kind unless there is a very specific and compelling reason to do so. To ensure that policy is followed, I permanently disable Windows Update and Windows Security updates AND make their system disks as read only also (with some folder exclusions). 🙂

1 minute ago, bofhlusr said:

My greatest skill in tech wisdomship: Knowing how to DIScourage upgrades of any kind unless there is a very specific and compelling reason to do so. To ensure that policy is followed, I permanently disable Windows Update and Windows Security updates AND make their system disks as read only also (with some folder exclusions). 🙂

I would be beaten and found dead in a ditch beside some forgotten desert road if I tried that....... 😰

My family likes fiddling with and customizing their machines too much to ever give up that amount of control.

Its easier to just blame me when their machines go down! 🤪