Third party weather

[Bobsk8 12,522]

13 minutes ago, fppilot said:

 

Leads me to believe I must find a way to start totally over with MSFS because I am not even close to sharing your experiences.

maybe you should return to P3D and Active Sky then.

[RXP 2,336]

1 hour ago, Tomaz Drnovsek said:

but I can't imagine weather injected solely by stations can ever look as real as it does in MSFS - it is more accurate right now but MSFS weather accuracy is also not that bad as some think.

But I believe the whole point of opening up Wx to 3rd party, with a volumetric weather model dividing the world like Minecraft, is not to repeat the same old fashion way of injecting weather via METAR only, but to effectively drive and fill these minecraft cubes of atmosphere with 3rd party data in order to represent 3rd party driven weather in game...

I mean it is like people still saying RXP would like FS2020 to supporting DLLs in order to do the same old fashioned Garmins the same old fashioned way, whereas I'd just like Microsoft to let us sell on their Market Place the products we are developing with the FS2020 SDK to get started with, and to consider sound additions to the SDK eventually.

Edited July 22, 2021 by RXP

[cavaricooper 2,613]

I believe MetoBlue is on the ball… they have to be, they are a RW Aviation and Maritime resource.

Asobo isn’t.

Hopefully that will change. It’s very annoying to get Wx. from Aviation Weather OR even MetoBlue’s website and find it different in sim. Online (Vatsim, IVAO etc.) it’s a disaster scenario.

 

Edited July 22, 2021 by cavaricooper

[ar_0 3]

18 minutes ago, fppilot said:

 

Leads me to believe I must find a way to start totally over with MSFS because I am not even close to sharing your experiences.

This is exactly what I'm experiencing. I check local weather on different weather sites, and the sim isn't remotely close to what's going on around me. 

[Bobsk8 12,522]

4 minutes ago, cavaricooper said:

I believe MetoBlue is on the ball… they have to be, they are a RW Aviation and Maritime resource.

Asobo isn’t.

Hopefully that will change. It’s very annoying to get Wx. from Aviation Weather OR even MetoBlue’s website and find it different in sim. Online (Vatsim, IVAO etc.) it’s a disaster scenario.

 

Real world aviation doesn't seem to swing much weight on simmers forums. 

[Kilo60 660]

I live in S FL and this time of year bad thunderstorms appear suddenly then dissipate completely and just as suddenly…

With Active Sky, in P3D, the weather outside my window was exactly what got injected into the sim, real-time!

 

With MSFS stock weather I’m finding not so much!

[flyinpilot212121 724]

1 hour ago, Tomaz Drnovsek said:

I find MSFS weather depiction way way better than anything we had before. I'm not talking accuracy, I'm talking how the whole weather system looks and feels. Now I have a feeling the weather is real and alive. In P3D weather was similar to landclass textures and now it's more like photo-real, if you know what I mean. Don't get me wrong, I was a huge fan of ActiveSky, I used it for many years and was happy with it but I can't imagine weather injected solely by stations can ever look as real as it does in MSFS - it is more accurate right now but MSFS weather accuracy is also not that bad as some think. Yes, sometimes winds do not match perfectly or at all but many times do. In general I always had pretty much the same weather in the sim as it was in RL - at least where I live. I don't do much trans Atlantic flights though.

Agreed, It may not be as accurate, but the feel and look of the weather is miles ahead to what I’ve ever had with any other sims…it’s pretty great that you could sometimes see the rain in the distance before getting into it, such a great experience, the sense of weather in msfs  is much better IMO than other sims when comparing to my real world flying! 

[threexgreen 3,135]

I also want accurate real world weather in the simulator. We've had this since FSX and it would be hard for me to let that go. If there are some discrepancies, I can live with that just fine, but having weather completely different from the real world weather at that place is not what I'm after. I would much prefer if Microsoft/Asobo provided accurate real world weather. I love what Hifi are doing with weather in P3D and it's an absolute must-have addon for me, but that experience should really come with the base sim instead of having to yet again rely on an additional software to do what the base sim should do.

Same with traffic; if I can get the experience AIG gives me in P3D via the base sim from Asobo, I'm sold for the same reason as weather. I just hope Microsoft can reach an agreement with all the airlines, particularly the major ones, because it would be awkward and frustrating to have to miss out on a major carrier while sitting at their terminal in the sim.

Edited July 22, 2021 by threegreen

[RXP 2,336]

5 minutes ago, threegreen said:

I just hope Microsoft can reach an agreement with all the airlines, particularly the major ones, because it would be awkward and frustrating to have to miss out on a major carrier while sitting at their terminal in the sim.

What I'm nearly certain will be more frustrating with this is MSFT becoming the new PT and not just for the AA livery, but there is no indication this will be the case for now isn't it?

Edited July 22, 2021 by RXP

[threexgreen 3,135]

14 minutes ago, RXP said:

What I'm nearly certain will be more frustrating with this is MSFT becoming the new PT and not just for the AA livery, but there is no indication this will be the case for now isn't it?

If PT means what I think it means I of course hope that never happens. No, I don't think there is anything at this point to suggest that may happen. I hadn't thought about that. MS have opened talks with AIG though from what I know and it's "under investigation" as per their feedback snapshot (or whatever it's called), so we may never even have to worry about it.

Edited July 22, 2021 by threegreen

[JRBarrett 3,034]

3 hours ago, Mace said:

What I (mainly) want is this:  when I plan a flight from say KSLC to KDEN, and the weather sites show a nice 80 knot jetstream of 310 deg at 35,000 feet, I want that in the sim.   All too often, I'll plan a flight, and when I get to 35,000 feet, the winds are completely opposite.   I get that it is a predictive model and I get that nothing will be exact, but a close ballpark approximation would be nice.

All upper winds found on official aviation weather forecast sites come from predictive forecast models no different than what MeteoBlue provides. There is no such thing as “real” upper winds from any site. Avation upper wind and temperature forecasts originating from the US are usually based on the GFS model. 

I fly probably 20 hours each week in MSFS and send my flight plan and current aircraft position into Foreflight, which allows me to see the official NOAA forecast upper-level wind and temperature at the aircraft current position and altitude, and compare it to the conditions generated by Live Weather. They match very closely probably 95 percent of the time. 

The only exception is when the Live Weather server gets “stuck” delivering old forecast data which has happened several times in the past few months. 
 

When it comes to upper winds and temps from any “official” site, vs. Live Weather you are just comparing one predictive model to another - unlike surface METARS, which are taken every hour.

[Bobsk8 12,522]

14 minutes ago, JRBarrett said:

All upper winds found on official aviation weather forecast sites come from predictive forecast models no different than what MeteoBlue provides. There is no such thing as “real” upper winds from any site. Avation upper wind and temperature forecasts originating from the US are usually based on the GFS model. 

I fly probably 20 hours each week in MSFS and send my flight plan and current aircraft position into Foreflight, which allows me to see the official NOAA forecast upper-level wind and temperature at the aircraft current position and altitude, and compare it to the conditions generated by Live Weather. They match very closely probably 95 percent of the time. 

The only exception is when the Live Weather server gets “stuck” delivering old forecast data which has happened several times in the past few months. 
 

When it comes to upper winds and temps from any “official” site, vs. Live Weather you are just comparing one predictive model to another - unlike surface METARS, which are taken every hour.

I agree, when i fly , I look up weather on Weather.com, and it pretty much agrees with what I see in MSFS. Don't understand why all these people are complaining that the weather is different. 

[cavaricooper 2,613]

Bob-

It’s because my experience is different from yours… I have had 180 degree winds compared to AviationWeather.com. I’m glad you’re satisfied, and hope to be also.

[JBDB-MD80 1,470]

4 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

I am happy with the MSFS weather after years of Active Sky with P3D. .I won't be buying any weather add on 

I agree I am not doing the same thing I did when I was using fsx (spending boatloads of money on 3PD's). A 50$ weather addon is a "in the past" buy for me don't care how accurate is it don't depict weather smoothness like the default MSFS does "no more mostly cloudy at one metar than instant rain in the next just miles away. I would live with default for now or just quit.

Edited July 22, 2021 by jbdbow1970

[Bobsk8 12,522]

1 minute ago, jbdbow1970 said:

I agree I am not doing the same thing I did when I was using fsx (spending boatloads of money on 3PD's). A 50$ weather addon is a "in the past" buy for me don't care how accurate is it don't depict weather like the default MSFS does "no more mostly cloudy at one metar than instant rain in the next. I would live with default for now or just quit.

Yeah I can remember that, flying along with sunshine and a millisecond later overcast and torrential rain.  LOL.