2 minutes ago, devgrp said:

You can always use that hardware for xp and p3d. I'm sure you'll get good performance but it wont look as good unless you buy a ton of addons

We dont need good performance, we want stunning visuals, which we had with MSFS.

Just now, chickster25 said:

We dont need good performance, we want stunning visuals, which we had with MSFS.

Speak for yourself. Whats the point of stunning visuals if your performance is trash?

4 minutes ago, devgrp said:

Speak for yourself. Whats the point of stunning visuals if your performance is trash?

My performance wasnt trash, as I said I have invested in appropriate hardware to run MSFS with acceptable performance.

@devgrp: that's not the point, the original visuals are far better then what we have now "after" an upgrade to increase performance.
For those who already had a decent performance, there was no need to increase it a visual cost.
I understand that those who lacked performance are happy now which is totally understandable because you're nothing with visual if you lack performance.

But it's like chickster25 says: if you buy a 200 hp car and after a service you're left with only 150, you wouldn't not be happy either. Our visuals are the hp's in the comparison.

Just now, chickster25 said:

My performance wasnt trash, as I said I have invested in appropriate hardware to run MSFS with acceptable performance.

So Asobo should just cater to people with souped up machines?

I really dont know why people are mad. Just uninstall msfs and install xp and p3d and save yourself the headache 

6 minutes ago, devgrp said:

I remember when we had drzewiecki design NYC, flying there in fsx or p3d was impossible. The building textures would turn black. Same for LAX. Now we have scenery, performance and visuals and people still complaining because they cant see trees 20 miles out or their clouds arent as fluffy anymore lol

People are complaining about SU5 because the design tradeoffs to achieve higher framerates for console gamers vs visual quality feel like a backwards step to many. These complaints are because on Sunday the game looked better than it did on Tuesday.

Flight simmers are used to games whose engines were built to achieve max performance on a single thread. We're mostly happy with 30fps. Console gamers who play AAA titles expect 100fps on medium settings as a baseline. SU5 was about trying to approach that benchmark and reducing the processing load was the main way Asobo got those fps gains.

You take away the wagyu beef and replace it with a chicken kiev, people are going to be unhappy. Their bellies will still be full but they'll remember what they used to have.

Just now, Lange_666 said:

@devgrp: that's not the point, the original visuals are far better then what we have now "after" an upgrade to increase performance.
For those who already had a decent performance, there was no need to increase it a visual cost.
I understand that those who lacked performance are happy now which is totally understandable because you're nothing with visual if you lack performance.

But it's like chickster25 says: if you buy a 200 hp car and after a service you're left with only 150, you wouldn't not be happy either. Our visuals are the hp's in the comparison.

No that is the point because I cant really see any difference unless I pause the game and zoom in to look for issues.

2 minutes ago, lambourne said:

People are complaining about SU5 because the design tradeoffs to achieve higher framerates for console gamers vs visual quality feel like a backwards step to many. These complaints are because on Sunday the game looked better than it did on Tuesday.

Flight simmers are used to games whose engines were built to achieve max performance on a single thread. We're mostly happy with 30fps. Console gamers who play AAA titles expect 100fps on medium settings as a baseline. SU5 was about trying to approach that benchmark and reducing the processing load was the main way Asobo got those fps gains.

You take away the wagyu beef and replace it with a chicken kiev, people are going to be unhappy. Their bellies will still be full but they'll remember what they used to have.

He will never unsderstand ... best to to ignore him and not answerings his comments

Edited July 30, 20214 yr by Nemo

Just now, lambourne said:

People are complaining about SU5 because the design tradeoffs to achieve higher framerates for console gamers vs visual quality feel like a backwards step to many. These complaints are because on Sunday the game looked better than it did on Tuesday.

Flight simmers are used to games whose engines were built to achieve max performance on a single thread. We're mostly happy with 30fps. Console gamers who play AAA titles expect 100fps on medium settings as a baseline. SU5 was about trying to approach that benchmark and reducing the processing load was the main way Asobo got those fps gains.

You take away the wagyu beef and replace it with a chicken kiev, people are going to be unhappy. Their bellies will still be full but they'll remember what they used to have.

Speak for yourself. 30fps is not what I want to fly with just to push my gpu to the limit to achieve maybe a 3% visual difference. You might be ok with flying at 30fps but not me

 

43 minutes ago, chickster25 said:

I just dont understand why they havent given the user the ability to choose this for themselves. The original buildings exist somewhere, so why not let us decide what we want to see.

Complexity in testing. The more combinations and options available the more combinations to test. More difficult to make changes when there are a myriad of combinations to not break.

Some things we all have to compromise.

Let's hope all these worries get alleviated by the incoming and subsequent hotfixes. Asobo is playing a bit with fire this time. That said, I am confident, silly me.

1 minute ago, Nemo said:

He will never unsderstand ... best to to ignore him and not answerings his comments

Doesnt matter man. Most of us real simmers are actually out flying and enjoying the sim while you and others are on here complaining about clouds that are not fluffy or things you cant see for 20 miles lmao. Life is too short hombre lol

1 minute ago, sanh said:

Complexity in testing. The more combinations and options available the more combinations to test. More difficult to make changes when there are a myriad of combinations to not break.

Some things we all have to compromise.

They dont understand. Its like talking to kids. 

So my obeservation seem to be right, the visual quality of the ai-generated buildings have been downgraded quite a bit. Probably much more than 3% as another person has calculated in his mind.

And again. What's the point of coming to a Forum and end up posting personal opinions about people? Is it a kind of ego battle? Any good for anyone? Disagree and accept diversity without feeling attacked evertime anyone shows disagreement.