6 hours ago, RobJC said:

They DO NOT represent the VAST MAJORITY of your customers,

Very true. 80/20 rule at work.

I'm jealous of everyone who can enjoy this great sim.  Hopefully I will again in a month.

 

Cheers

bs

5 hours ago, Waldo Pepper said:

Agreed.  I want this MSFS computer case,

 

You can't even get that case with no graphics any more, much less one with the cool MSFS theme.

23 hours ago, RobJC said:

I know I speak for a lot of people when I say THANK YOU! Thank you to everyone working on this project so hard. To the team at Microsoft and Asobo, you guys are so talented to create a product like this. But talent alone is not enough to achieve something like this. You guys have remained focused and shown true tenacity to get as far as you have with this project. Also, please understand that there is a VERY LOUD minority of users who love to complain, and who find any reason to complain. They DO NOT represent the VAST MAJORITY of your customers, who love and respect the work you guys have done, and continue to do! We appreciate the openness you have shown the community, with the Twitch live streams, the roadmap, the priority lists, etc. etc. etc. You have also shown an openness to change gears and rethink features based on community feedback. That is commendable and you should be PROUD of not only what you've created here, but HOW you went about creating MSFS. How lucky are we to have you guys working on the greatest flight simulator of all time? 

Keep up the great work!   

 

If this is how you feel it is perfectly right that you say so. And the same goes for the other 51  (at this time) who upvoted and loved your post.

What I strongly disagree about is the usual reference to "the others". You take the liberty of saying "they do not represent the VAST MAJORITY of your customers, who love and respect the work you guys have done".

Wrong. I am one of the "others" and have total respect for their work. My respect has been shown in various posts where I expressed my professional appreciation, as a mathematician with experience in numerical methods, for their approach to the flightmodel. I also said that you cannot expect much more from a modular sim, offering an interface to 3rd parties to add their airplanes. I added that their physical  exposition of the flightmodel shows a lot of passion in the way they work. Yes, you can read passion in a mathematical document. 

At the same time, I think that there were a number of mistakes in the way things were managed during this year. I also think they need much better quality assurance and that they should concentrate more on fundamental flaws. I think they should not push an update that ruins the experience for a good percentage of users. What is disrespectful in this?

I also believe that if ASOBO had the money instead of MS, we would already have a much better sim. Is this disrespectful? 

Since yesterday the sim is stable for me. But it is still crashing for a few users. Should I start yelling at them? Should I count myself in the "good" group because I am not complaining? Are they whiners because their sim is crashing?

There is a substantial difference between respect and adoration. Becoming a fan of anything or anyone is not for me.

We should really stop with this "us and them" game: the world is much, much more complex than this.

A.

Edited September 10, 20214 yr by ADamiani

I am loving MSFS, warts and all, and am excited for the future. I feel sorry for those having serious problems - seems to be quite a few.  But I do not agree with those of them who are voting on the MSFS Forum for “Stop the World Updates and Fix the Sim First”,  so I started a contrary vote there “Please Continue with World Updates while Trying to Fix Bugs More Quickly”.  Cheers.

 

6 hours ago, FrankPilot said:

I am loving MSFS, warts and all, and am excited for the future. I feel sorry for those having serious problems - seems to be quite a few.  But I do not agree with those of them who are voting on the MSFS Forum for “Stop the World Updates and Fix the Sim First”,  so I started a contrary vote there “Please Continue with World Updates while Trying to Fix Bugs More Quickly”.  Cheers.

 

In this case, it is possible that there are different teams at work: I will subscribe to your request for sure.

The way I would put it is: "Please don't let the introduction of new features delay fixing relevant bugs (or add others)". But if there is no delay, and no new problems, then why not? I am surely waiting for Italy and Australia to receive an update.

A.

The alternative « fix or add » is not really one. This sim was released incomplete in its basic features and got some undesirable new « features » along the months (bugs, nerfing). So it doesn’t seem outrageous that they give a priority to finish up the work and fix what needs to be fixed for a couple of months. It is not contradictory to add then new scenery elements prepared by their artists.

But this is not going to happen. Everything points out so far to a rigid roadmap from which they deviate only when they see pitchforks through the windows like after the SU5 release which spoiled the Xbox commercial release . You don’t hear much about the XBox version sales, do you ? 

The weather is a good example of that. For months we have complained about lightnings, ATIS, clouds and so on and so forth which tarnish their good and innovative weather engine. But their roadmap is to take some corrective measures at the end of 2021 and a big rehab one year after...

They were mostly preparing the XBOx version before Su5 and now designing DLC like Reno or the JU.

 Anything we can say is wasted saliva 😄.

The project management, as seen from the outside, seems bizarre.  No much flexibility in dealing with user reasonable requests, inability to channel the numerous working builds (« branches ») to bug-free releases.  And a big PR machinery to make us believe the contrary.

On 9/10/2021 at 8:33 PM, ADamiani said:

What I strongly disagree about is the usual reference to "the others".

I "liked" both your and the OP posts...

Because I believe both of you are right even if you quietly and politely disagree. The matter is not about being free to express ourselves, but more about the way we voice our opinions.

More and more in today's world, people enjoy shocking and bumping each other on social media and fora of all kinds, forgetting they are interacting with people, not merely a "name" or an "avatar", but a human being. As you proved in your post, we can disagree without offending the other party.

We dont need to be "fans" to enjoy a game and saying so, we dont need to "adore" to express gratitude to a team of developers whose task is far from being easy, we dont need to "hate" to voice a concern and/or point to a defect that has to be rectified, and above everything restrain our hyperactive imagination to spread theories destined to discredit a company whose motives or complexities we know very little about.

So, yes, I compliment wholeheartedly Asobo's team for an extraordinary simulator, and I do hope they will very, very,... soon fix a number of defects spoiling our flights such as (but not limited to), the weather engine so that we may use the "real" weather to depart and land, the ATC broken for most of my flights in many ways, etc, etc... 

Respectfully, and with passion!

Edited September 12, 20214 yr by Bernard Ducret

2 hours ago, Bernard Ducret said:

 

Respectfully, and with passion!

🙂

 Some of us see  MSFS like a product  like any other, and ASobo like a company like any other, coolly assessing what is right and wrong, some of us are more emotionally involved 😉.   Why not ? Both attitudes  are respectable (and useful) until militants take over and separate the good from the bad. 

Edited September 12, 20214 yr by Dominique_K

1 hour ago, Dominique_K said:

Some of us see  MSFS like a product  like any other,

This is of course one way to look at MSFS, a hobby though rarely survives our interest without passion (a certain degree of love) - otherwise it becomes an ordinary task like mowing the lawn -, hence like anything involving personal feelings, judgement can be altered, as most of the old guard (to which I belong) know only too well.

1 hour ago, Bernard Ducret said:

This is of course one way to look at MSFS, a hobby though rarely survives our interest without passion (a certain degree of love) - otherwise it becomes an ordinary task like mowing the lawn -, hence like anything involving personal feelings, judgement can be altered, as most of the old guard (to which I belong) know only too well.

Old guard hey ? What about an user who went through Airsim 1, FS1 to FS5.1, FS2002 to FSX, P3D2 &3, Fly! and Fly!2, Flight Unlimited 2 & 3, Jane's Long Bow, European Air Wars, Pacific Air wars and some others I have certainly forgotten 😄 ! I The passion thing ?  I get more reasonable with age 😉 .  

Edit : Falcon, how could I have forgotten ! And DCS ! 

Edited September 12, 20214 yr by Dominique_K

Agree double - well said !! 😎  ( first post )

 

cheers 😉

Edited September 12, 20214 yr by pmplayer

4 hours ago, Dominique_K said:

The alternative « fix or add » is not really one. This sim was released incomplete in its basic features and got some undesirable new « features » along the months (bugs, nerfing). So it doesn’t seem outrageous that they give a priority to finish up the work and fix what needs to be fixed for a couple of months. It is not contradictory to add then new scenery elements prepared by their artists.

But this is not going to happen. Everything points out so far to a rigid roadmap from which they deviate only when they see pitchforks through the windows like after the SU5 release which spoiled the Xbox commercial release . You don’t hear much about the XBox version sales, do you ? 

The weather is a good example of that. For months we have complained about lightnings, ATIS, clouds and so on and so forth which tarnish their good and innovative weather engine. But their roadmap is to take some corrective measures at the end of 2021 and a big rehab one year after...

They were mostly preparing the XBOx version before Su5 and now designing DLC like Reno or the JU.

 Anything we can say is wasted saliva 😄.

The project management, as seen from the outside, seems bizarre.  No much flexibility in dealing with user reasonable requests, inability to channel the numerous working builds (« branches ») to bug-free releases.  And a big PR machinery to make us believe the contrary.

I think it's because their road map was planned 1-2 years out and consequently contracts with partners such as blackshark AI and Gaya were already sealed in the black. It's hard to imagine their contract with partners is on a on-demand basis instead of a fixed term/deliverables 

I also agree 100%. Simulating with a sinclair Z80 in the past, I had the opportunity to experience the extraordinary changes of this simulator up to the present time. Congratulations to Asobo and his collaborators, including Dev-type developers with a passion for real flying, makes this project amazing. Health and longevity to all.

1 hour ago, MegaRiceBall said:

I think it's because their road map was planned 1-2 years out and consequently contracts with partners such as blackshark AI and Gaya were already sealed in the black. It's hard to imagine their contract with partners is on a on-demand basis instead of a fixed term/deliverables 

Certainly true for a part, for instance to explain their incomprehensible reluctance to offer historical weather. But when you are a smallish Blackshark or Gaya or Meteoblue etc. and that the big gentle giant in Redmont asks ever so politely for an addendum how can you refuse 😄 ?