@Ray Proudfoot No apology necessary Ray, you've handled things perfectly well in my opinion. I know how it feels to deal with these sort of folks who love to provoke other forum users, but then suddenly cry foul when those comments are challenged. 

5 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

 

The person I'm referring to who has considerable experience is @MarkW. He seems to think it's a reasonable offering given the price. As he hasn't posted again I have no way of knowing if he's changed his mind.

 

Ray, I made a few test flights and only one full flight EGLL - KJFK.  I still have to come to terms with the fuel panel as it is quite different from the FSL version.  I am making an assumption that the FSL fuel panel is more accurate as verified by the ITVV videos.  Recently I have been focused on the Chancellor and now the PMDG 737 so probably will be a while until I get back to Concorde.

11 hours ago, MarkW said:

Ray, I made a few test flights and only one full flight EGLL - KJFK.  I still have to come to terms with the fuel panel as it is quite different from the FSL version.  I am making an assumption that the FSL fuel panel is more accurate as verified by the ITVV videos. 

Thanks Mark. Even with a single flight you’ve proved Concorde is perfectly flyable proving the comments made by sharkfin are not shared by anyone else.

Edited May 12, 20224 yr by Ray Proudfoot
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Could the admins please take a look here at this continued disruption? I'd hate to see what has so far been a really productive thread closed due to one individual's poor attitude and behaviour. Post reported for reference.

Edited May 12, 20224 yr by DC1973

I have hidden all posts related to the discussion initiated between myself and sharkfin and including those from other members.

On 5/11/2022 at 9:55 AM, Ray Proudfoot said:

@PTI139 and @sharkfin, I have provided loads of useful info in posts on pages 3, 4 and 8. Have you not read those?

The video on page 8 proves the DCD Concorde can be successfully flown. It Is a complex aircraft to fly but with a bit of effort it’s something achieved by several who have posted here including a user of the FS Labs version who has considerable experience.

Sorry, Ray, to my long lasting response to your question. Yes, I have read your excellent and helpful posts - I allways appreciated your Concorde-related posts in this forum - you are a real expert.

Yes, the video on page 8 is one of so many videos I studied to be able to bring the concorde to FL580 and back down, reach the iconic MACH 2.04 (and even MACH 2.40 sometimes!). The Manual DCS delivers is kindly written and full of interesting information but does not describe all necessary steps simmers need to operate the addon - these informations have to be synopted mainly by YT videos and other sources.

Yes, my "unflyable"-statement was an exaggeration: You can fly the DCS Concorde, but there are frequently unpleasant surprises on the flight, there is no real C&D state after loading the addon, some switches are ON some OFF, nobody knows completely, which switches have a function and which not, the autopilot has issues. for example the ILS mode does not work (in my sim), there are loads of things that make the whole thing unreliable.

Maybe a future update and the SU9-driven issues filtered out will make me laugh again.

 

@PTI139, I’m surprised you could achieve Mach 2.4. I would have thought an overspeed sound would have initiated. There are some very unrealistic videos but I did link to the one I considered the best. That, combined with the info I provided, should help a lot.

You'll appreciate I can’t comment on operation of the DCS version as I don’t have it. I understand there’s a bug in MSFS that will engage reheat when full forward power is applied. That needs resolving ASAP and I’m sure the developer is in touch with Asobo.

The more you fly the more familiar operations will become easier. It’s different to Boeing / Airbus and does have a fixed set of rules for climbing and accelerating to Mach 2 and FL550-600. But it sounds like you’ve got that side pretty much nailed on.

38 minutes ago, PTI139 said:

Sorry, Ray, to my long lasting response to your question. Yes, I have read your excellent and helpful posts - I allways appreciated your Concorde-related posts in this forum - you are a real expert.

Yes, the video on page 8 is one of so many videos I studied to be able to bring the concorde to FL580 and back down, reach the iconic MACH 2.04 (and even MACH 2.40 sometimes!). The Manual DCS delivers is kindly written and full of interesting information but does not describe all necessary steps simmers need to operate the addon - these informations have to be synopted mainly by YT videos and other sources.

Yes, my "unflyable"-statement was an exaggeration: You can fly the DCS Concorde, but there are frequently unpleasant surprises on the flight, there is no real C&D state after loading the addon, some switches are ON some OFF, nobody knows completely, which switches have a function and which not, the autopilot has issues. for example the ILS mode does not work (in my sim), there are loads of things that make the whole thing unreliable.

Maybe a future update and the SU9-driven issues filtered out will make me laugh again.

 

Manuals are giving way to the in-sim Interactive Checklist, due to Xbox users not having access to manuals easily. Concorde's full Interactive Checklist will take Concorde from a cold and dark start all the way to destination and landing / shutdown, that's why it's there, so you don't need to "guess" which functions are required.

Following this correct procedure via the Interactive Checklist will ensure you never miss an ILS approach ( I never have in many long months of testing, but lots of people do when they don't follow the checklist ). Autopilot does have issues but they're MSFS issues rather than Concorde's fault really, a further update is coming which better blends the AP with the FMC for smoother operation.

Concorde has an overspeed warning, so it sounds like you may be on an older version? At Mach 2.4, you'd have almost certainly exceeded maximum fuselage temperature of 127 degrees C, which also has an alarm.

23 hours ago, DC1973 said:

Manuals are giving way to the in-sim Interactive Checklist, due to Xbox users not having access to manuals easily. Concorde's full Interactive Checklist will take Concorde from a cold and dark start all the way to destination and landing / shutdown, that's why it's there, so you don't need to "guess" which functions are required.

Following this correct procedure via the Interactive Checklist will ensure you never miss an ILS approach ( I never have in many long months of testing, but lots of people do when they don't follow the checklist ). Autopilot does have issues but they're MSFS issues rather than Concorde's fault really, a further update is coming which better blends the AP with the FMC for smoother operation.

Concorde has an overspeed warning, so it sounds like you may be on an older version? At Mach 2.4, you'd have almost certainly exceeded maximum fuselage temperature of 127 degrees C, which also has an alarm.

Certain procedures are self-evident for you as the developer or manager of the project but not for the new user. The "interactive checklist" does set switches by itself? I did not know that - Maybe that helps next time - I never used that function - I am only reading the checklist and set the switches myself. So I have to interprete the checklist Items. "AUTOLAND" CHECK ENGAGED - I did not find a "AUTOLAND" switch. Meanwhile I watched more videos an - yes it works I one knows the tricks.

But now I understand why you do not invest much time into a precise manual - you want to let the user make the interactive checklist switch and turn the knobs and the user is asked to watch what changes in the cockpit happen. Maybe I am a little bit old fashioned - slowly I understand your work and appreciate it really more and more.

Regarding the overspeed: I am used (from older Concorde addons) to turn off the autothrottle in MAX CRUISE MODE - I am convinced know it has to be ON to avoid the overspeed / overheat on MAX CRUISE (although in the real on it cared for avoiding that stand alone). Correct?

I will have a try with the "interactive Checklist" to learn more about the addon - thanks for your help 🙂

 

 

@PTI139  The checklist won't auto-complete for you. What I mean is that it's there so that newcomers can learn their way around the cockpit by following the checklist and learning where all required switches are and how they should be set, and of course learn procedures in how Concorde is flown in MSFS to ensure they have a successful flight.

MAX CRUISE should control the airplane with Auto-throttle on and prevent both over-speed and overheat, allowing for a hands-free supersonic cruise at altitude. This might not be identical to other Concordes but it works well with this one. Enjoy! 🙂 

3 hours ago, PTI139 said:

So I have to interprete the checklist Items. "AUTOLAND" CHECK ENGAGED - I did not find a "AUTOLAND" switch. Meanwhile I watched more videos an - yes it works I one knows the tricks.

The good thing about the MSFS checklist is the little "eye" icon next to each item. When you click it,the relevant switch is pointed out in blinking blue and an arrow points to it as well.

(But I think you need to enable this in MSFS's assistance options if you don't see the eye icon)

I can confirm ILS approach works fine. (In my first attempt I thought it would not, but actually I was set up for the wrong runway so everything was wrong -.- so my fault)

On 5/16/2022 at 1:21 PM, MarioDonick said:

The good thing about the MSFS checklist is the little "eye" icon next to each item. When you click it,the relevant switch is pointed out in blinking blue and an arrow points to it as well.

(But I think you need to enable this in MSFS's assistance options if you don't see the eye icon)

I can confirm ILS approach works fine. (In my first attempt I thought it would not, but actually I was set up for the wrong runway so everything was wrong -.- so my fault)

I have been exercising a lot in the Concorde and I must admit: I am quite content with it. I really kind of like it. If you know how it works, it is a nice useful aircraft to reach far destinations.

But: Sometimes you have to land it by hand 😞

The ILS approch works most times - but unfortunately not allways. I have tried a lot but did not find the reason why - on some airports - flight director shows the lateral and vertical course but the autopilot does not react to it.

My last "candidate": GLRB (Monrovia) - ILS runway 04 110.30 042° - vanilla scenery no addon - on my way to Rio de Janeiro (PONKA Arrival via RRCHY).

Both Autopilots on, intercepting the locator in a friendly manner (not to sharp), slow (190 knots), both sides the correct locator course 42 ° set, altitude 1.500 feet on hold, under the glide beam, in the moment the locator comes alive, press on GLIDE, Land button and "Autoland" annunciator alluminate both, but the plane stubbernly gets going his TRK HDG course. I also tried to deactivate the TRK HDG befor activating GLIDE/LAND, tried both flight directors and much more. 

I also tried the sequence the "interactive checklist" proposes (it wants the pilot set both autopilots AFTER clicking on the GLIDE button, allthough at least AP1 is of course ON allready). But no success.

Maybe someone likes to try the described approach - if it works it seems to be an error only ocurring on my system and out of my hands.

But as I said - I like the Concorde now and hand landing is easy with it.

   

1 hour ago, PTI139 said:

I have been exercising a lot in the Concorde and I must admit: I am quite content with it. I really kind of like it. If you know how it works, it is a nice useful aircraft to reach far destinations.

But: Sometimes you have to land it by hand 😞

The ILS approch works most times - but unfortunately not allways. I have tried a lot but did not find the reason why - on some airports - flight director shows the lateral and vertical course but the autopilot does not react to it.

My last "candidate": GLRB (Monrovia) - ILS runway 04 110.30 042° - vanilla scenery no addon - on my way to Rio de Janeiro (PONKA Arrival via RRCHY).

Both Autopilots on, intercepting the locator in a friendly manner (not to sharp), slow (190 knots), both sides the correct locator course 42 ° set, altitude 1.500 feet on hold, under the glide beam, in the moment the locator comes alive, press on GLIDE, Land button and "Autoland" annunciator alluminate both, but the plane stubbernly gets going his TRK HDG course. I also tried to deactivate the TRK HDG befor activating GLIDE/LAND, tried both flight directors and much more. 

I also tried the sequence the "interactive checklist" proposes (it wants the pilot set both autopilots AFTER clicking on the GLIDE button, allthough at least AP1 is of course ON allready). But no success.

Maybe someone likes to try the described approach - if it works it seems to be an error only ocurring on my system and out of my hands.

But as I said - I like the Concorde now and hand landing is easy with it.

   

I have found that some payware & freeware airports have broken ILS systems. You should test the airport's ILS to ensure proper operation before trying it with the Concorde.

Just an idea.

2 hours ago, DJJose said:

I have found that some payware & freeware airports have broken ILS systems. You should test the airport's ILS to ensure proper operation before trying it with the Concorde.

Just an idea.

The airport I experienced the ILS system issue is a MSFS default airport. The ILS signal is received and shown on the avionics. I will try it with another plane the next days. Thanks for the idea. 

I'm so sorry - I made a mistake (Basil Fawlty)!

DC Design Concorde is working allright - NO ILS ISSUE! Sorry for the fuss.

What caused the trouble? I changed the units to "metric" to get KG instead of pounds - I had better done to switch it to "hybrid". Metric means meters instead of feet - so I was threetimes higher than I supposed to be - off cause the autopilot ignored to fly down the glide path.

 

Edited May 25, 20224 yr by PTI139