This thread…lol. As an end user, I certainly HOPE that the wider exposure and distribution opportunity through the in game marketplace results in the developer seeing a high quality product becoming insanely profitable using a low price/high volume model….but ultimately the market will decide. 

I've blown thousands over the years and it's been worth every penny as simming is my hobby as I have a pretty stressful job and it relaxes me.

RR said the planes will be cheaper as the MSFS market is bigger. We'll see success leads to expensive corporate tastes and PMDGs attitude has slowly deteriorated over the years.

 

Edited April 14, 20224 yr by VBHB

3 hours ago, snglecoil said:

This thread…lol. As an end user, I certainly HOPE that the wider exposure and distribution opportunity through the in game marketplace results in the developer seeing a high quality product becoming insanely profitable using a low price/high volume model….but ultimately the market will decide. 

Marketplace? How many of these I call  "high fidelity" airliners will even reach the Marketplace and certainly X-Box? I would guess very little I would think the more serious user would rather buy these airliners from the developer directly for better support. We all know Marketplace is not the sharpest on updates to the products there.

40 minutes ago, jbdbow1970 said:

Marketplace? How many of these I call  "high fidelity" airliners will even reach the Marketplace and certainly X-Box? I would guess very little I would think the more serious user would rather buy these airliners from the developer directly for better support. We all know Marketplace is not the sharpest on updates to the products there.

Yes, the Marketplace. Certainly you can appreciate the promotional reach that the in-game marketplace brings. Even if you personally elect to purchase directly from the developer, presence on the marketplace generates awareness and buying opportunities for those who didn't even know they needed a "high fidelity" airliner in the first place 😉

I've been lurking on AVSIM for a while and reading with interest. This thread seems to give the impression that there are only two varieties of simmers. Either you are a member of a small niche of people with 30 years flight sim experience or you must be some sort of GTA buzz the tower convert. These are the extreme ends of a spectrum, the former being quite conditioned to paying premium prices and likely purchasers anyway. The other, the true GTA gamer, is unlikely to be interested in higher fidelity models. The potential for market growth lays somewhere in the middle, new people willing and able to learn more complex aircraft.

The market has expanded. Why argue to maintain paying higher prices when it is no longer necessary. Why not expand the niche of serious simmers instead of restrict growth. Exclusivity might feel nice, but if the GTA crowd increases and the hardcore group becomes relatively smaller, does it not run the risk of developers just following the easy money.

 

5 hours ago, tpete61 said:

Hydraulics Systems not replicated only basic simulation.

You don't know what you're talking about. Go read through all the documentation on what FBW is doing with their A320. They're simulating how the A/C is affected by the amount of passengers are in the plane. They're also fully simulating the hydraulic system down to how the fluid moves through tubing. "Study level" has become a term, as someone else above mentioned correctly, for us simmers to know that we're getting as close to a fully simulated plane as possible with the limitations inherent in pc flight simulation. You can't get into the FBWA320 and take off and land across the country without doing some studying. 

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16 minutes ago, Rstblt958 said:

I've been lurking on AVSIM for a while and reading with interest. This thread seems to give the impression that there are only two varieties of simmers. Either you are a member of a small niche of people with 30 years flight sim experience or you must be some sort of GTA buzz the tower convert. These are the extreme ends of a spectrum, the former being quite conditioned to paying premium prices and likely purchasers anyway. The other, the true GTA gamer, is unlikely to be interested in higher fidelity models. The potential for market growth lays somewhere in the middle, new people willing and able to learn more complex aircraft.

The market has expanded. Why argue to maintain paying higher prices when it is no longer necessary. Why not expand the niche of serious simmers instead of restrict growth. Exclusivity might feel nice, but if the GTA crowd increases and the hardcore group becomes relatively smaller, does it not run the risk of developers just following the easy money.

 

Heck of a first post....spot on! Welcome!

1 hour ago, Rstblt958 said:

I've been lurking on AVSIM for a while and reading with interest. This thread seems to give the impression that there are only two varieties of simmers. Either you are a member of a small niche of people with 30 years flight sim experience or you must be some sort of GTA buzz the tower convert...

Very well observed Sir!  While it may indeed seem that way, I like to think that the groucho "serious simmers" are only a vocal minority, and not all us old timers are like that.  I started out in the early 80's with Sublogic Flight Sim and still get my kicks being a hooligan.   I mean why not, it's a simulator!

Stay young (and a bit silly) at heart...

7 minutes ago, Stoopy said:

"Thats what" - She

Cracks me up every time I see your signature. 

Good to know @Stoopy,  I suspect many casual observer's initial impressions of a number of the forums is that they could do with a bit more 'welcome aboard' and a bit less 'may I see your credentials'.

12 hours ago, Rstblt958 said:

Good to know @Stoopy,  I suspect many casual observer's initial impressions of a number of the forums is that they could do with a bit more 'welcome aboard' and a bit less 'may I see your credentials'.

HaHa... So True.

Way to many experts here on Avsim. It's a toxic environment for a very small hard core crowd of people!

I'm not sure there are many "Study Level" simmers on the Xbox a lot of people having fun though!

12 hours ago, Rstblt958 said:

Good to know @Stoopy,  I suspect many casual observer's initial impressions of a number of the forums is that they could do with a bit more 'welcome aboard' and a bit less 'may I see your credentials'.

I'd say your suspicions might sadly be correct but we can overcome that.  On that point and before I forgot... Welcome Aboard!  

🤙🍺🍺

13 hours ago, Bdub22 said:

You don't know what you're talking about. Go read through all the documentation on what FBW is doing with their A320.

To be perfectly fair, and I'm just playing devils advocate, these systems aren't fully implemented yet. When the hydraulic lines are all at 0 and the airfoils droop, they're just visual. Behind the scenes you still have full control of flight controls. So in a way, he does know what he's talking about; Both of you do...

On 4/13/2022 at 6:53 PM, MySound said:

I expect PMDG to give the whole fleet to me for free because I’m an avid simmer and pretty poor. 

You don't need to spend a penny to enjoy an immersive experience in MSFS.

1. Download the FBW A320 Neo

2. Find yourself a few outstanding airports on flightsim.to

3. Done 

 

16 hours ago, Rstblt958 said:

Why argue to maintain paying higher prices

Is anyone doing that?  I would be willing to pay for a comprehensive aircraft at $80-120 dollars.  So far there are few developers who could demand those prices.  

If they want to sell them at a much lower price then great. I'm hardly going to moan and refuse to buy unless the price goes up 🙂