13 hours ago, YoYo said:

What they did now with VR maps, ATC, route data ect ??? They always reset and they are shows in the same position, like the size and place in VR.👿

They havent any beta testers in VR .... How is it possible that this has been overlooked? 🙄

It was reported on official MSFS Forum? They working on fix for this?

It was beta tested, was reported and was ignored by Asobo here: https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/atc-window-squashed-in-vr-on-latest-build/511365

In any case, while this bug is annoying and should be fixed, it is not the end of the world as you can simply resize and move the window where you want. If you minimise the window, it will open back up at the same size and position you left it.

8 hours ago, Reset XPDR said:

It was beta tested, was reported and was ignored by Asobo here: https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/atc-window-squashed-in-vr-on-latest-build/511365

In any case, while this bug is annoying and should be fixed, it is not the end of the world as you can simply resize and move the window where you want. If you minimise the window, it will open back up at the same size and position you left it.

It may be simple to change and move, the point for those of us that don't like to clutter the VR space is we have to do it *every single time* we open any toolbar window, which becomes increasingly repetitive and a royal pain in the backside.

As you say it was ignored, yet again the ignorance to fixing obvious VR bugs & issues is clear. These toolbar related issues have been going on since SU7, Jorg needs to be a better manager and sort his team out - the buck lies with him in my book, he claims he uses VR....so why is he allowing these constant issues to be released to the public?

No it's not a game breaker like SU7 was, but it's still not good enough when it worked perfectly fine before that update, too many regressions - not enough fixes - that's the simple point.

 

9 hours ago, Reset XPDR said:

it is not the end of the world as you can simply resize and move the window where you want.

No, sorry I dont want to fly with open this windows all the time. My style is to open it, short look and close.   Also, you cant resize NAVLOG window, For sure we can live with this issue but Im surprised that the Asobo team, instead of moving forward, is simply moving backwards in VR development in MSFS. If we also compare DCS or IL-2, you can still see how much there is to do here, also in terms of image quality (sharpness for example), not to mention stable 45 frames (for HP G2 for example). 

Edited May 4, 20224 yr by YoYo

Did you test Todays patch yet in VR? Any good things for us?

There are no noticable changes to VR in the patch that I can see, nor is anything mentioned in the release notes releating to VR.

I haven't got any disappointment left to be disappointed about anything that Asobo don't do regarding VR!

I'll ask again, What exactly are the "VR Team" doing?!

I don't believe there is an actual dedicated VR team for MSFS, it's simply a very low priority additional duty/program for some.

5 minutes ago, blueshark747 said:

I don't believe there is an actual dedicated VR team for MSFS, it's simply a very low priority additional duty/program for some.

"VR Team" comes direct from Jorgs mouth in a couple of recent Q&As 🙂

 

I do believe there is a VR team, but they're just being mismanaged IMO.

21 minutes ago, MarcG said:

"VR Team" comes direct from Jorgs mouth in a couple of recent Q&As 🙂

 

I do believe there is a VR team, but they're just being mismanaged IMO.

Believe when I see it...

2 hours ago, MarcG said:

"VR Team" comes direct from Jorgs mouth in a couple of recent Q&As 🙂

 

I do believe there is a VR team, but they're just being mismanaged IMO.

Hi there.

Why do you think they are "mismanaged"? Because they haven´t included a fix for the Toolbar Menus? 

What if they are heavily working on the DLSS integration DX12, to open the doors even more (hence work on the bigger picture)?

Regards

Marcus 

 

56 minutes ago, mpo910 said:

Hi there.

Why do you think they are "mismanaged"? Because they haven´t included a fix for the Toolbar Menus? 

What if they are heavily working on the DLSS integration DX12, to open the doors even more (hence work on the bigger picture)?

Regards

Marcus 

 

I won't list everything but;

- SU7 brought in game breaking bugs that should never of seen release to the public in the first place to do with the mouse and toolbar usage. The resulting patch some 5/6 weeks later didn't fix them fully, neither did SU8 and then SU9 made them worse still and no hotfix....

- Shimmering in VR, brought in I think in the SU5 debacle, still not fixed, add to that the anti aliasing in toolbar windows issue which is still ongoing when they looked just fine pre-SU5.

- only one wished for item (VR Controllers) has been included in 17 months since VR was initially supported.

- a vast array of bugs, all logged and reported within the first few weeks of VR support, are still yet to be fixed (see the official forums bug section).

- Many of the "simple" wished for items have been ignored, I say simple because I have spoken to VR coders who know how simple the process is.

- in the Q & As they have said very little regarding VR after initially telling us we'd get an update in the new year (we didn't), why are they so silent? It leaves us guessing, this is very frustrating when it's abundantly clear what bugs need to be fixed in the first place.

- DLSS is not the saviour of VR, if all efforts are being put on that by the "VR Team" then that is poorly managed, they need workload on the bugs first and foremost, but again that's purely guess work.

- the initial release of VR was underwhelming after they weren't even going to include VR in the first place (!).

- Coders in their free time have created an amazing app that Asobo can't do in 17 months with a dedicated team, so again... What are the VR team doing exactly?

...and those are just off the top of my head 🙂

Edited May 12, 20224 yr by MarcG

6 hours ago, mpo910 said:

Hi there.

Why do you think they are "mismanaged"? Because they haven´t included a fix for the Toolbar Menus? 

What if they are heavily working on the DLSS integration DX12, to open the doors even more (hence work on the bigger picture)?

Regards

Marcus 

 

Marcus, ok but we dont need go back and this unfortunately happens with MSFS. They broke something, they know it (from beta testers as we know) and till now they did nothng with this. Why I need DX12 if some of important parts - like all 2D screens - are broken. They should drop everything and at least get it back as it was, not deal with new things. They will fix - let them go on with their distant projects.

They had relatively few VR users, they will have even less. Is that what their business is about? 😉

9 hours ago, MarcG said:

- Coders in their free time have created an amazing app that Asobo can't do in 17 months with a dedicated team, so again... What are the VR team doing exactly?

I believe they can't be more clear: Live Dev Q&A - April 27th, 2022 - Community / News and Announcements - Microsoft Flight Simulator Forums

 

Martial – By the past, we had a chance to have a dedicated team on VR because we went from 0 to full feature implementation. Right now, this team has been merged into the core team and VR is now considered as a platform (such as PC or Console). We are going to introduce the world scale, as there’s a feeling of having a small cockpit in VR

 

My understanding: we didn't plan to have VR initially, we finally decided to go and devote a team on this. Past the initial release, the team has been re-assigned back to their previous occupations in the team, and we've seldomly touched anything in VR because we wouldn't risk breaking it. Hence the little to no fix or feature release in VR since Dec. 2020. The good news is that they are working on it...

 

NB: I'm highlighting the last piece of the sentence because I wouldn't call this a feeling when "world scale" has been one of the first and one of the most demanded and voted for VR wishlist item since Dec 2020... (if not the most demanded actually), and like I've explained earlier, it is maybe the easiest to fix actually...

 

Edited May 12, 20224 yr by RXP

I am really mad about how they ruin vr more and more with every word not allowed forced update. It’s now 3 sim updates since they introduced double mouse cursor when using zoom up instrument views. Now ALL Toolbar menus are butchered. And  finally when u sit in copilot position and turn the engines off you are automatically moved to pilot seat. 
 Asobo get ur §%<6§ together