August 17, 20223 yr In another topic it was suggested that a topic in which ATC addons would be compared would be quite handy. Now we can wait for one guy who owns all ATC addons to create such a topic or a video on YT but maybe it's also an idea to start with a topic in which we try to find out what we all want to see in an ATC addon. And once we've got a rather complete list of features we can add which ATC addon has which feature. This way, after some time, if everyone who owns one of the mentioned ATC addons chimes in, we will all be able to choose the ATC that is best for your specific set of wishes. If you know if a certain addon has a certain features, reply to this post with 1. the used addon and 2. the list of features it has (if possible in the same order). Take note that some addons can have multiple options (like STAR being planned during preflight but also being assigned by ATC during the flight). If you know a feature which I have missed and which you are very interested in, reply to this post with that (list of) feature(s).This is a first draft! The list below probably is far from complete (also because I ran out of time 😉 ) but perhaps it doesn't need to be a 100% complete in order to make an educated decision on which addon to get. If possible (and time permitting) i will gather all replies and either edit the OP (adding the various addons (MS, PI, PF, FS and PR) behind each feature) or start a new topic for it. Maybe all replies will be sufficient and more than enough on their own. We'll see how this goes. 😉 PLEASE ONLY SHARE INFORMATION for ATC addons you actually OWN and USE! (Which is why my replies to this posts are for FSHud and default MSFS only, even though I do know quite a lot of the features of other addons. 😉 ) List of currently available ATC options for MSFS Default MSFS ATC (MS) Pilot2ATC (PI) PF3 (PF) FSHud (FS) ProATC/SR (PR) Features SID, STAR and approaches Planned during preflight Assigned by ATC during the flight Planned procedures can be changed during the flight by ATC depending on weather Planned procedures can be changed during the flight by the pilotSimbrief support Yes (one click import, direct link with Simbrief account) Yes, (load a downloaded Simbrief plan) NoSpeech recognition Yes NoVoices Pre-recorded real voices Text-to-speech (fixed set of voices) Text-to-speech (new voices can be added)QNH in hPA and InHg Yes NoTransition altitudes and levels Yes (automatically) Yes (manually) No Terminology Realistic Realistic (geared towards USA) Realistic (geared towards Europe) Unrealistic (or incomplete) VFR support Yes NoVirtual Reality support Yes No Needs other tools/plugins/addons (like FSUIPC or Makerunways) Yes NoNavigraph support Yes (can be installed with the Navigraph tools) Yes (can read the data without an extra install) NoNeeds to create database Yes (one time only) Yes (after addition or airport or scenery) NoRequests that can be made during the flight Another take off runway Direct to Another SID Another (cruising) altitude Descent Another STAR Another approach Another gateATC vectors Yes (in the general direction) Yes (to the exact intercept path) No Controls AI aircraft Yes (only seperates traffic on the ground) Yes (only seperates traffic on the ground and during take off and approach Yes (controls all traffic) No Starting position ATC can only be started at the gate ATC can be (re)started at any time EDIT: additional features Chatter Chatter with AI traffiic Canned realistic chatter No Holdings Yes (planned) Yes (automatic due to traffic of weather) No Declaring emergencies Yes No Co-pilot Yes (handles communications) Yes (handles communications and various other tasks) No Flight planning tool Yes (edit imported plan) Yes (create from scratch) No Respects MSA (no vectoring into terrain) Yes No Edited August 17, 20223 yr by tup61
August 17, 20223 yr Author FSHud SID, STAR and approaches Planned during preflight Planned procedures can be changed during the flight by the pilot Simbrief support Yes (one click import, direct link with Simbrief account) Speech recognition No Voices Text-to-speech (fixed set of voices) QNH in hPA and InHg Yes Transition altitudes and levels Yes (automatically) Terminology Realistic VFR support No Virtual Reality support No Needs other tools/plugins/addons (like FSUIPC or Makerunways) No Navigraph support Yes (can read the data without an extra install) Needs to create database No Requests that can be made during the flight Another (cruising) altitude Direct to Another STAR (only once, when aproach is assigned) Another approach (only once, when aproach is assigned) Another gate (only once, when aproach is assigned) ATC vectors Yes (in the general direction) Controls AI aircraft Yes (controls all traffic) Starting position ATC can be (re)started at any time EDIT: additional features Chatter Chatter with AI traffiic Holdings No Declaring emergencies No Co-pilot Yes (handles communications) Flight planning tool Yes (edit imported plan) text only Yes (create from scratch) text only Edited August 17, 20223 yr by tup61
August 17, 20223 yr Author Default MSFS ATC SID, STAR and approaches Planned during preflightSimbrief support NoSpeech recognition NoVoices Text-to-speech (fixed set of voices)QNH in hPA and InHg No (InHg only)Transition altitudes and levels No (18000 ft only) Terminology Unrealistic (or incomplete) VFR support YesVirtual Reality support Yes Needs other tools/plugins/addons (like FSUIPC or Makerunways) NoNavigraph support Yes (can read the data without an extra install)Needs to create database NoRequests that can be made during the flight Another (cruising) altitude Another STAR Another approach(Not really sure what is exactly possible)ATC vectors Yes (in the general direction)(Not really sure what is exactly possible)Controls AI aircraft Yes (controls all traffic)(Not really sure what is exactly possible) Starting position ATC can be (re)started at any time EDIT: additional features Chatter Chatter with AI traffiic Holdings No Declaring emergencies No Co-pilot Yes (handles communications and various other tasks) Flight planning tool Yes (edit imported plan) Yes (create from scratch) Edited August 17, 20223 yr by tup61
August 17, 20223 yr Some possible extra features: Realistic chatter with AI traffic (ie not canned regional chatter) Holdings - none, pre-planned, automatic due to do traffic/weather Alternates - e.g. weather at destination, emergencies en route etc. Ian Box
August 17, 20223 yr Pilot2ATC SID, STAR and approaches Planned during preflight Assigned by ATC during the flight Planned procedures can be changed during the flight by ATC depending on weather Planned procedures can be changed during the flight by the pilotSimbrief support Yes (one click import, direct link with Simbrief account) including call sign (very handy).Speech recognition YesVoices Text-to-speech (fixed set of voices) Text-to-speech (new voices can be added)QNH in hPA and InHg YesTransition altitudes and levels Yes (automatically) Terminology Realistic (geared towards USA) VFR support YesVirtual Reality support No Needs other tools/plugins/addons (like FSUIPC or Makerunways) Yes (all freeware though)Navigraph support Yes (can be installed with the Navigraph tools)Needs to create database No (apart from the initial installation). Requests that can be made during the flight Another take off runway Another SID Another (cruising) altitude Another STAR Another approach Another gate Descent Direct To Requests that can't be made: holdings, emergencies, heading deviations (due to weather).ATC vectors Yes (to the exact intercept path). Vectors are automatically provided when required by the procedure (usually with STARs where the last fix requires manual transition to IAF). Controls AI aircraft No Starting position ATC can be (re)started at any time OTHER FEATURES Respects MSA / MEA quite well (no vectoring to terrain). Allows to modify taxiways, gates and runway TO/LND preference. The latter is actually a really great feature. Provides traffic advisory on ground and in the air. Powerful speech recognition grammar tool helps to practice speech and improve recognition rate. Copilot can handle most coms. Integrates with ATC chatter. Joystick support. Flight planning tool. CPU Ryzen 5800X3D RAM 64GB DDR4 3200MHz GPU RTX 5070 Ti (16 GB VRAM) Display 38" LG OS Windows 11
August 17, 20223 yr Author Thanks! The first three posts have been updated (while that's still possible).
August 17, 20223 yr ProATC/SR SID, STAR and approachesAssigned by ATC during preflightAssigned by ATC during the flightPlanned procedures can be changed during the flight by ATC depending on weatherPlanned procedures can be changed during the flight by the pilotSimbrief supportYes (one click import, direct link with Simbrief account) YesYes, (load a downloaded Simbrief plan) YesNoSpeech recognitionYesNoVoicesPre-recorded real voices, new voices can be addedText-to-speech (fixed set of voices)QNH in hPA and InHgYesNoTransition altitudes and levelsYes (automatically with FSFO or FS2CrewYes (manually)No TerminologyRealistic (Choice of All phonetic, phonetic and alphabet, all alphabet) Choice of Pilot, Co-Pilot and Controller voices:- UK, US, Spain, Germany, Australia, Sweden, Algeria, Montenegro. New voices and dialects can be added.Realistic (geared towards USA) Realistic (geared towards Europe) Unrealistic (or incomplete) VFR supportYesNoVirtual Reality supportYes? Needs testingNo? Needs other tools/plugins/addons (like FSUIPC or Makerunways)Yes, Makerunways (included)NoNavigraph supportYes (can be installed with the Navigraph tools)Yes (can read the data without an extra install)NoNeeds to create databaseYes (one time only)Yes (after the addition or removal of airport/scenery)NoRequests that can be made during Preflight and the flight Another take off runway YES Direct to YES Another SID YES Another (cruising) altitude YES Descent YES (choice of manual or auto) Another STAR YES Another approach YES Another gate YESATC vectorsYes (in the general direction)Yes (to the exact intercept path)No Controls AI aircraft Yes (only seperates traffic on the ground)? Detected and considered and even changed by PRO-ATC/SR. That means you won't get a clearance for takeoff when an aircraft is on final approach or still on the runway. Yes (only seperates traffic on the ground and during take off and approach? I use AIG Traffic Control AI - Automatically generated traffic by MSFS, Prepar3D, FSX/SE The actual traffic (AI) continues to be controlled by the flight simulation, but is detected and considered and even changed by PRO-ATC/SR. That means you won't get a clearance for takeoff when an aircraft is on final approach or still on the runway. It will even be controlled to avoid collisions with your aircraft when airborne. Starting position ATC can only be started at the gateATC can be (re)started at any time EDIT: additional features ChatterChatter with AI traffiic YES ProATC/SR communicates with the AI traffic both on the ground and airborneCanned realistic chatter YESNo HoldingsYes (planned) Yes (automatic due to traffic of weather) No Declaring emergenciesYesNo Co-pilotYes (handles communications)Yes (handles communications and various other tasks)No Flight planning toolYes (edit imported plan) YESYes (create from scratch) YES No Respects MSA (no vectoring into terrain)YesNo Edited August 17, 20223 yr by SierraHotel AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 4.2 32 gig ram, Nvidia RTX3060 12 gig, Intel 760 SSD M2 NVMe 512 gig, M2NVMe 1Tbt (OS) M2NVMe 2Tbt (MSFS) Crucial MX500 SSD (Backup OS). VR Oculus Quest 2 Windows 11 25H2 YouTube:- https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC96wsF3D_h5GzNNJnuDH3WQ 2k+ Videos & Streams BATC and FSFO FB Group:- https://www.facebook.com/groups/1571953959750565 Flight Sim First Officer (FSFOv6) and SoFly Beta Tester Reality Is For People Who Can't Handle Simulation!
August 17, 20223 yr Author Thanks so far! I think this already helps with making a good decision what ATC addon to get. Now if one of the PF3 users would be so kind to add some information we would get quite a complete picture already. Of course it helps if others would post about already described addons too because some may see things a bit differently. ;) And don't forget to post features you'd like to see described. When enough information from various sources has been posted, I might create some sort of excel-sheet which shows everything in an easy to view lay-out so you can see very easily and quickly what your best choice might be.
August 17, 20223 yr Wow!!! I haven’t got time to go through this right now, but will do so later today. Thank you so much for doing this! This will be an incredibly helpful resource. Edited August 17, 20223 yr by Virtual-Chris
August 17, 20223 yr So the default ATC can definitely assign a runway and approach on arrival, if you don't specify one in your flight plan. If you use the built-in flight planner, and don't choose a runway from the drop-down list, you will get one assigned by ATC.
August 17, 20223 yr 3 hours ago, SierraHotel said: ProATC/SR SID, STAR and approachesAssigned by ATC during preflightAssigned by ATC during the flightPlanned procedures can be changed during the flight by ATC depending on weatherPlanned procedures can be changed during the flight by the pilot Can someone explain this further? Does it make sense for ATC to assign an approach during pre-flight? That is usually done by ATC at the arrival airport.
August 17, 20223 yr FSHUD The following announcement was just made in their forum, indicating a major improvement of of the controlled AI traffic injection, among other items, is imminent. This addresses one of the biggest complaints that users have had is that there is not enough traffic at airports: https://www.simforums.com/forums/fshud-traffic-injection-and-performance_topic65051.html "We wanted to post some information on what is planned in an upcoming release which will be targeted for MSFS Sim Update 10 (SU10). We are aware of several AI Traffic problems which may cause no or reduced AI traffic at an airport or in the air, as well as associated application performance issues that may cause the simulator FPS drop on some computers. Several major improvements are in development which should improve traffic injection and performance. Users will also have better control in configuring traffic to better fit their environment. This will be an important milestone on the path to achieving better performance and improved traffic in your simulator. It is important to realize that FSHud – Air Traffic Control must be both pilot and controller, for every aircraft, even if you do not hear communications. We do not let the simulator fly aircraft on its own, then adjust ATC, as this would make for an unrealistic scenario in the sky or on the ground. We need to be pilot and controller for every aircraft (except the user aircraft). This means that no turn or altitude change is made on any aircraft that is not distinctly under FSHud’s control. It is this aspect of the application which is most CPU intensive. We hope the milestone release after SU10 offers some nice improvements to the application." Andrew Jones
August 17, 20223 yr 34 minutes ago, Virtual-Chris said: Can someone explain this further? Does it make sense for ATC to assign an approach during pre-flight? That is usually done by ATC at the arrival airport. No it is not realistic, and that is why I use PF3 which doesn't do that.
August 17, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said: No it is not realistic, and that is why I use PF3 which doesn't do that. Interesting. So the default ATC, Pilot2ATC, and PF3 are the only ones that assign approaches on arrival.
August 17, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, Virtual-Chris said: Interesting. So the default ATC, Pilot2ATC, and PF3 are the only ones that assign approaches on arrival. The data is not complete, nobody has added information for ProATC/SR yet Cheers, Søren DissingIntel i9-13900K @5.6-5.8 Ghz | ASUS ROG RYUJIN III | ASUS ROG Astral RTX 5090 OC | ASUS ROG Maximus Z790 Hero | 64Gb DDR5 @5600 | 1Tb Samsung M.2 980 PRO (Win11), 1Tb Samsung M.2 980 PRO, | ASUS ROG Helios 601 | 32” ASUS PG32UCDM 240hz 4K | Chaseplane | TM TCA Captain's Edition, Winwing FCU + EFIS L/R, Tobii 5 | Win 11 Pro 64 | MSFS 2024 | BA Virtual | PSXT, RealTraffic w/ AIG models
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