4 minutes ago, Virtual-Chris said:

I'm curious why your guide suggests setting AIG TC to auto injection on startup to off?  What's the advantage of doing it manually?

A lot of people have had stability issues with the traffic controller when using auto-inject. CTDs, the app suddenly quitting etc. Best way to avoid issues is to wait until the flight has finished loading, then start AIG TC and then manually injecting traffic. 

Edited August 28, 20223 yr by Cpt_Piett

6 minutes ago, Cpt_Piett said:

A lot of people have had stability issues with the traffic controller when using auto-inject. CTDs, the app suddenly quitting etc. Best way to avoid issues is to wait until the flight has finished loading, then start AIG TC and then manually injecting traffic. 

Ok... thanks. That may explain why I had it crash shortly after starting.

8 minutes ago, Virtual-Chris said:

Ok... thanks. That may explain why I had it crash shortly after starting.

Another thing is to consider putting it into Win8 compatibility mode. Unfortunately TC is not the most robust app. 

9 hours ago, Virtual-Chris said:

I'm curious why your guide suggests setting AIG TC to auto injection on startup to off?  What's the advantage of doing it manually?

The auto injection doesn't seem to work very well, so I am told. I think it has something to do with the Controller not 'seeing' the correct time in the sim with auto injection and hence loading incorrect traffic. Or the option simply doesn't work too well. As you may have read Cpt_Piett even suggest, as others have done too, to only start the Controller when you are in the cockpit already. I myself only used the Controller two times or so but imho it takes too long to load and I use FSHud anyway which does just as good of a job injecting traffic, if not better.

I added the Controller part to the guide for completeness sake: I myself mainly made the guide to get all steps for the AI Manager clear and well documented for (also my own) future use. 😉 I probably won't be using the Controller often if at all: if I wouldn't be using FSHud I'd probably would use MSFS default traffic.

EDIT
Oh, LOL, I totally missed the next page of this topic where Cpt_Piett already answered your question. 😉 So stability apparently is the main reason. But I also remember seeing at least one video in which the time problem I posted was a reason to not use auto injection so you might keep that in mind too. As it is now I wouldn't really recommend to use that Controller at all, really.

Edited August 29, 20223 yr by tup61

13 hours ago, awf said:

I settle for ProATC-SR with AIG and TC for now 🙂

Is AIG TC stable running now? Last time I tried I had no flight at all where I needed to start it again because it crashed during flight.

And how is ProATC-SR working with AIG TC? Do you have seen issues there?

Maybe I need to give AIG TC another try. I currently are using ProAT-SR with live traffice (MSFS). It's working but you don't have much traffic ongoing.

1 hour ago, tup61 said:

I added the Controller part to the guide for completeness sake: I myself mainly made the guide to get all steps for the AI Manager clear and well documented for (also my own) future use. 😉 I probably won't be using the Controller often if at all: if I wouldn't be using FSHud I'd probably would use MSFS default traffic.

Unfortunately the controller has a lot of issues. The devs are aware of this. Some people seems to be able to use it without too many problems. For others it's unusable. For me it was quite stable for a while, and now it just suddenly dissapears in the middle of a flight. The fact that FSHud can handle AIG traffic is to me a huge bonus.

I'm hoping also in the future that it will be possible to use an external voice pack (e.g. Amazon Polly) as I was not impressed with the voices (with FSHud). In terms of voices, which is I guess relevant to this thread*, I think the Azure Neural TTS which I think MSFS uses a few of, is one of the best out there. I saw a youtube video the other day with a guy running P2ATC with Amazon Polly. They seemed not as good as Azure, but much better than e.g. FSHud. Apparently Polly is relatively inexpensive. 

Of of the problem with default is of course the overall lack of voices. Not much immersion when the ATC and the AI aircraft pilot has the same voice. IMO natural sounding voices is right up there on top of the list as an essential feature. 

EDIT: Found the youtube I mentioned above. 

*EDIT2: My bad, this thread is discussing AI traffic addons, not ATC addons. 

 

Edited August 29, 20223 yr by Cpt_Piett

3 hours ago, MelBourbon said:

Is AIG TC stable running now? Last time I tried I had no flight at all where I needed to start it again because it crashed during flight.

And how is ProATC-SR working with AIG TC? Do you have seen issues there?

Maybe I need to give AIG TC another try. I currently are using ProAT-SR with live traffice (MSFS). It's working but you don't have much traffic ongoing.

Well TC seems in combination with SU10beta pretty stable here local... ProATC-SR has still some quirks to iron out especially with ground traffic and taxi instructions and descent profiles...

I’ve only used AIG with Traffic Controller for 2-3 weeks now. What I’ve noticed is that I get  loads of traffic warnings. The other day, the TCAS saved my life about 5 times on a short flight from Salzburg to Calvi. The other planes always fly in the opposite direction. It’s almost as if they tried to hit me. While it’s nice to see that the TCAS works and it no doubt spices things up a little, it‘s hardly realistic I guess. My cruising altitude is always in accordance with the „east is odd, west is even odder“ rule, so the problem seems to be the AIG flight plans or the sims‘s ATC system. Does anybody have an idea how to solve this (apart from going to an unrealistic FL)?

46 minutes ago, Shack95 said:

Does anybody have an idea how to solve this (apart from going to an unrealistic FL)?

I don't think changing your FL will help. MSFS tends to spawn the AI at or near your own altitude. If the AI is en route it will continue to fly at that altitude and if it tends to cross your path you'll get a TCAS alert. I use the TCAS AP/FD option on the Fenix, so at least these alerts are handled automatically by the aircraft.

51 minutes ago, Shack95 said:

The other day, the TCAS saved my life about 5 times on a short flight from Salzburg to Calvi. The other planes always fly in the opposite direction. It’s almost as if they tried to hit me.

I have this as well. Frequent TCAS warnings when flying with AIG traffic and some near-collisions. Not sure if there's anything to do about this but maybe others can chime in. 

Afaik if you use the AI Controller no ATC addon will see that traffic. It will simply fly the programmed routes regardless of weather and other traffic. And hence it will often get you in trouble, I suppose.

I think MSFS reports the altitude of the other traffic wrong. I see other aircraft where the display reads -800 next to the target, but when you look out the window they are clearly above you by about 800'. 

It's almost like the display is showing your own offset from the other plane instead of the offset of the other plane from yours. The other plane is 800' above mine, so I am -800' below them. It also seems like TCAS is deviates the wrong way because of that. If both aircraft are acting the opposite of what they should, that would explain all of the near misses. If we are lower than the other aircraft we should descend to avoid the collision, but since MSFS is reporting the opposite, we climb right into them. The other plane probably making the same mistake. 

1 hour ago, tup61 said:

Afaik if you use the AI Controller no ATC addon will see that traffic. It will simply fly the programmed routes regardless of weather and other traffic. And hence it will often get you in trouble, I suppose.

Yes, I thought this is general known and the big limitiation of all external ATC solutions so far. It's technically the only reason why people still are using the crazy internal ATC.

58 minutes ago, MDFlier said:

The other plane probably making the same mistake. 

I don't believe the AI is programmed to avoid collisions.

 

  

2 hours ago, tup61 said:

Afaik if you use the AI Controller no ATC addon will see that traffic. It will simply fly the programmed routes regardless of weather and other traffic. And hence it will often get you in trouble, I suppose.

  

42 minutes ago, MelBourbon said:

Yes, I thought this is general known and the big limitiation of all external ATC solutions so far. It's technically the only reason why people still are using the crazy internal ATC.

 

You mean AIG's TC? It uses the sim's internal AI system, all TC does is inject the planes and flight plans, the sim handles how the planes act no differently than if you used the 'Offline AI' option in the sim. So ATC apps should see the AIG aircraft.

Edited September 5, 20223 yr by Tuskin38

2 hours ago, Tuskin38 said:

So ATC apps should see the AIG aircraft.

You mean the ATC in MSFS? Ok, but do other ATC Addons like Pro ATC SR or FSHub are seeing these?