PMDG 737 800 (not)

[pmplayer 9,469]

1 hour ago, Reader said:

If you are correct, then PMDG and other developers must simply feed their FS9 models into an online converter, press a tab and then sit on their hands for two years, before releasing the "optimised" product.

The other possible truth could be that each simulator requires sometimes years of work to create a new working model that replicates everything that needs to be replicated under the new simulator.

I wonder if you are being misled by the fact that the 737 still "only" looks and behaves like a 737.
Or if your post was just meant to be a joke.
 

Be shure, this wasen`t a joke from my side, and don`t understand me wrong, the plane works and reakt really fine and behaves like it should, like a 737 and i know that the optimise for each Flightsim is a lot of work

but it is old stuff overworked - I would have wished that PMDG had implemented it completely new for the MSFS ( MSFS code ) and I know this had taken a long time, but it would certainly have been up to date and that's what my reasoning for "old stuff " stands for..

cheers 😉

Edited August 27, 2022 by pmplayer

[BillC 135]

The pricing suits me perfectly. Previously PMDG forced me to buy the 800/900 in order to get the 6/700s that I really wanted. I now have what I wanted for less than I paid in FSX 10 years ago. Pretty happy with this arrangement.

[tup61 1,572]

To each his own but I really don't get why anyone who owns the 700 would buy the 800... at a (utterly ridiculous) full price too...! It's the same plane to me. Just some different numbers in the cfg and that's about it. I just don't get that. Just like I also wouldn't get it if someone who owns a quality A320 would buy a A319 or A321 from the same developer. Those variants are too much the same for me. But feel free to throw away your money in any direction you want. 😉

And I don't think there isn't much talk about the 800 because there simply isn't anything to talk about. There was talk about the 700 and there is nothing more to say.

BTW I don't own any PMDG product. Just don't like 'm. Can't stand the guy too, SRS or RSR or whatever he is called. But that's of no importance. I also can't stand that A2A guy, the one who talks in their video's, really, can't stand those video's, the way he talks.. utterly annoying...but that doesn't stop me from buying a good A2A plane if I want to. But er... this post is going nowhere, just like this topic, so... er...

Edited August 27, 2022 by tup61

[Reader 2,021]

1 hour ago, pmplayer said:

but it is old stuff overworked

You might be right but do you have a shred of evidence to support your assertion?

[JRBarrett 3,076]

1 hour ago, tup61 said:

 

To each his own but I really don't get why anyone who owns the 700 would buy the 800... at a (utterly ridiculous) full price too...! It's the same plane to me. Just some different numbers in the cfg and that's about it. I just don't get that. Just like I also wouldn't get it if someone who owns a quality A320 would buy a A319 or A321 from the same developer. Those variants are too much the same for me. But feel free to throw away your money in any direction you want. 😉

 

If you don’t own any PMDG aircraft, how do you know that the only difference is “just some different numbers in the cfg”?

I was on the fence about getting the 800 since I already have 700, but since I qualified for the P3D discount, I decided to add it to my fleet. The price was $39.95 - but even if it had cost the full $70, I would have had no problem paying that. Until gasoline prices started dropping recently, I was shelling out more than that each and every week just to fill the gas tank in my vehicle. When that gas is gone, it’s gone. By contrast the PMDG aircraft will give me years of enjoyment.

The 800 is not “identical” to the 700. There are significant differences in how it performs. It is a heavier aircraft. Takeoff distance and V speeds are higher and VREF on landing is as much as 20 knots higher. That was evident in two recent flights. I flew the 700 BBJ on a 7-hour flight from KDTW to EGSS and the the 800 from EGSS to LIRN. Doing those two flights back-to-back made it evident that the handling and performance was noticeably different.

I flew the complex ERIKA 1A arrival at LIRN which involves 4 course reversals with multiple speed and altitude constraints, and the aircraft (with the new LNAV 2 coding) handled it perfectly.

Why would your negative feelings about RSR matter? It’s not like you have to invite him into your home to live with you after buying a PMDG product. The late Steve Jobs of Apple was in many ways a horrid human being, but that has not stopped me from buying and enjoying an iPad and Mac

 

Edited August 27, 2022 by JRBarrett

[Chock 17,769]

1 hour ago, tup61 said:

To each his own but I really don't get why anyone who owns the 700 would buy the 800... at a (utterly ridiculous) full price too...! It's the same plane to me. Just some different numbers in the cfg and that's about it. I just don't get that. Just like I also wouldn't get it if someone who owns a quality A320 would buy a A319 or A321 from the same developer. Those variants are too much the same for me. But feel free to throw away your money in any direction you want. 😉

 

Whilst I tend to agree with you in some respects, I'm assuming enough people do care about that sort of thing to spend the money and make the development and the cost of acquiring it and people paying that price, worth the effort on PMDG's part, and if that's what they want to do then fair enough. In truth there is actually a bit of a difference in how a 737-800 rotates on take off to how a 700 variant does, and this affects how they flare a bit too in terms of control inputs, it's not a massive difference, but some people do like these nuances.

I do get that some ultra-realists want to have specific sim aeroplanes for the tasks they like to do in their sim, a good example being the B747-400D, which is the short-range version of the Jumbo that would definitely suit people who don't like doing long haul sim flights but want a massive aeroplane for the challenge of flying one in an authentic fashion. I'm just not personally nerdy enough to want to spend tons of cash on such differences when I can blag it with a broadly-similar variant such as the 700 versus the 800. That's why I regarded PMDG's B747-400 package as good value, because if I recall correctly, it worked out at something along the lines of each included variant (since you got quite a few in the package, including the 400D) at around 15 quid per variant.

I'd be far more inclined to buy a 737-400, or a 200, or a MAX than I would to buy another NG from the same developer when I've already got one from them, whereas I would do so from a different developer out of curiosity and to enjoy two different treatments of similar things, but that is just where I'm personally coming from and others are free to have a different take on what their preferences are; it's their money.

As far as people not liking the PMDG boss is concerned, and voting with their wallets, like most people, I've heard some less than flattering things about his demeanour, but these too are for the most part things I've heard from other people, so they might not be true at all, thus I usually take these things with a pinch of salt until I'd ever be in a position to confirm or deny the truth of them, particularly when he's not there in person to defend or refute such things. For all I know I might get on with the guy like a house on fire if I bumped into him, but since that's unlikely to occur, it's not really of any relevance. Even if one has such a dislike for the guy that they object to sending some money his way, given the general quality of PMDG's stuff, this seems to me a bit like cutting one's own nose off to spite one's face. It's not like the guy is coming round to your house for a cup of tea and a chat.

Edited August 27, 2022 by Chock

[Nuno Pinto 1,397]

12 hours ago, Paul_Yorks said:

It's interesting to me that there is not a single thread on the front page of this forum (might depend on your thread/page I guess) about the 800.

Boring plane, didn't even care about it. Way way more interested in the upcoming A310, having a blast with the Fenix A320 and whenever i feel like flying something more retro-looking (you know, tons of buttons), the 737-700 is just about the same and even looks nicer with better proportions.

A 767, now THAT would get me excited. But we'll have to endure a 737-900 yet (yawn), a 777 which will be nice if the -200ER makes it and a 747 which, again, i'm not really interested in and THEN maybe just then PMDG might have a go at a 767. Long long looooooooong shot, not holding any faith on that.

Edited August 27, 2022 by Nuno Pinto

[Nyxx 6,993]

Its so funny reading all this wining about PMDG pricing. The NG came out for FSX over hundred $ i think, then the very same aircraft that worked in P3D but 2 smallish things were buggy, so then PMDG released it for P3D ( and made the FSX not work in it) and so...yes another $130...then they was bring out as Robert said the "MAX"....O wait that got....so it was the NGXu....$100 for P3Dv5......but becasue MSFS they said you got a the $100 for anything theres for MSFS. 

I took that up so the 700 and 800 have cost very little as I did enjoy the NGXu in P3Dv5 for a time. So stop winning, PMDG will always "MAX" there profites  out of you, dont like it dont buy it. Live and learn. I only bough the 700 as it would have to do untill the 800 the only one I really wanted came out. But after the flight last night i would say its a far cry from the FSX and P3D one and even the first flight with the 700 in MSFS. Its a gem and I will enjoy it. I will not buy the777 or 747 again as I live and learn....and am sure Robert is thinking of how the get the most money out of them releases also. Dont like it? tuff PMDG for you.

Edited August 27, 2022 by Nyxx

[ashepherd316 63]

12 hours ago, jbdbow1970 said:

After the 777 

yeh when is that though

[Nyxx 6,993]

1 hour ago, tup61 said:

To each his own but I really don't get why anyone who owns the 700 would buy the 800... at a (utterly ridiculous) full price too...! It's the same plane to me.

Really!

Well that depends on a few things that are "utterly ridiculous" to you. 

Firstly PMDG know better than anyone that the 800 is "The" one to have. It's the most used in the world.

Secondly, if you like using virtual airlines, like Ryanair you have to use the right type. So again you need the 800 or your are not flying with them. The only 700 Ryanair have is for training only.

Third, it is a diffrent aircraft to the 700 like the 321 is a diffrent aircraft to fly from the 320, if the developer does it right its far from "Just some different numbers in the cfg ". But then ofc some dont care or understand or even see that. Then like you should not even think about buying the 800 as its just "Just some different numbers in the cfg " Its as silly as saying Dont buy a MK5 Spitfire its no diffrent to a MKI apart from some "Just some different numbers in the cfg " From a top develpoer its a very silly thing to say.

Fourthy cost. It cost me £35 for both of them, £17.50 each if you like so the 700 is as good as in the bin now, but the 800 will be used for years. As I only bought the 700 to get an NG back but PMDG know that and why they bought the 700 out first. 

If you want a NG then anyone who is winging about price should simple buy the 600. Most people coming from FSX/P3D know the 800 is the one, its also why they did not release it first becasue they wanted everyone to buy the 700 becasue we did not have an NG in MSFS, so "everyone" was sucked into buying the 700. Then the filler 600 cheap one, again before the "real" one, and BANG the 800 and O...it cost the most....^^

If I was buying at full price the only one I would have bought is the 800 and that would have been free. If I would have waited this long. Clever Robert even got $39 from people like me, Robert knows how to get every last drop of blood out of the stone.

But the 800 is not a 700 and as much as I hate PMDG in some ways, the 800 is stuning and when it as a iPad with full simbrief within I would say its easy as good as the Fenix and I never untill last night put the PMDG NG close to the Fenix but PMDG have how worked wonders on it. 

If the 700 suits anyones "needs" then clearly there is not need for the 800 the same could be said for the 600. Its all down to your "needs". Just becasue the VC look the "same" should not mean these aircraft are the same unless there made by Aersosoft then yer...you get what you pay for.

 

 

Edited August 27, 2022 by Nyxx

[tup61 1,572]

49 minutes ago, JRBarrett said:

If you don’t own any PMDG aircraft, how do you know that the only difference is “just some different numbers in the cfg”?

Well, because people like you tell me so:

50 minutes ago, JRBarrett said:

Takeoff distance and V speeds are higher and VREF on landing is as much as 20 knots higher.

As I said: ust some different numbers. 😉 I would never pay that money for such small differences and a noticable difference in handling. But to each his own.

51 minutes ago, JRBarrett said:

Why would your negative feelings about RSR matter?

It doesn't matter at all, as I said already. I just had a bit too much time on my hands, hence my rather useless post. 😉

[tup61 1,572]

9 minutes ago, Nyxx said:

Well that depends on a few things that are "utterly ridiculous" to you. 

The brand new and far better (imho 😉 ) Fenix A320 is a lot cheaper than this port from P3D. Hence my remark. 😉

10 minutes ago, Nyxx said:

Firstly PMDG know better than anyone that the 800 is "The" one to have. It's the most used in the world.

Which is one of the reasons I don't like PMDG. They first released the 700, then the 600, knowing perfectly well most people want the 800 but also a lot of people would buy the 700 and 600 anyway to get their PMDG-fix. Don't like 'm. 😉 But don't let that ruin anyone's saturday LOL

[psolk 3,040]

Well said @JRBarrett  Funny to see Elmira NY next to your name, just drove past from WGI a few weeks ago 🙂  Sorry for the OT but I agree with your entire post above, especially the Steve Jobs part although I am not an Apple ecosystem guy myself 🙂 

Heck, we are all running MSFS on the back of Bill Gates and Paul Allen's billions those horrible people!!!  I'm going to stop using MS products because I don't like them personally...  Oh wait, then I can't run MSFS... 😉     

Edited August 27, 2022 by psolk

[TrafficPilot 121]

14 hours ago, Beerz said:

i bought the 600 but after so many years/sims of flying boeings, especially the pmdg(why can't they make something else) i'm bored of more boerings 737's🙂👍

GA/VFR in msfs is amazing so i'm not buying any more boerings or airbuses👌

 

GA all the way. There is very little skill involved in pushing buttons.

[dbw1 445]

39 minutes ago, TrafficPilot said:

GA all the way. There is very little skill involved in pushing buttons.

Well, I always welcome a good chuckle to start the day. Thanks.