In my opinion PSXT + RT have been a great gem since introduced into MSFS early on.

Ive followed most live AI threads since launch and smile as I've had almost no issues with this method.

Yeah, the RT portion does have a $10 monthly fee but heck, I spend $10 a day on lunch and get to enjoy fantastic live AI.

PSXT is constantly updated (so much I have a hard time keeping it updated - lol)

I understand those that don't want to spend extra on a feature that the sim advertises as default and free, but I'd recommend this combo of PSXT + RT at least for the interim but I think once you try you'll be hooked..  For me at least, it is worth it.

Cheers,

Eric

16 minutes ago, N6154Q said:

Yeah, the RT portion does have a $10 monthly fee but heck, I spend $10 a day on lunch and get to enjoy fantastic live AI.

If you'd pay $10 for this what would you pay for a subscription for unlimited use of MSFS? 

It has nothing to do with the $10 tbh. The shortcomings of the PSXT approach are no connection with ATC, not following the taxiways, landing on grass, and being jerky. If the solution were free I would still not use it because of those things. 

35 minutes ago, Noel said:

Not sure what you're asking Gerard.  It is what I explained and RTOT is generating recurrent stutters when enabled--this was not the case pre SU11, at least not to this extent.  

What models were you using with RTOT? Just default, FSLTL, AIG, E-Jets? 

On 11/12/2022 at 8:34 AM, RobJC said:

It does populate more planes at the airport, using built-in sliders in msfs, but all it really does is populate airports. I didn’t see much activity. Simple, yes. Immersive, no.

Doesn't fit my experience I've always had ample traffic using ST w/ RTOT.

On 11/12/2022 at 8:34 AM, RobJC said:

Of course, this package isn’t perfect either. The AI planes are jerky, either flying or on the ground.

My God how can you stand that?  Wouldn't touch it with a 10' poll as I hate jerky!

17 minutes ago, Alvega said:

What models were you using with RTOT? Just default, FSLTL, AIG, E-Jets? 

Default models w/ ST liveries

1 hour ago, Noel said:

Not sure what you're asking Gerard.  It is what I explained and RTOT is generating recurrent stutters when enabled--this was not the case pre SU11, at least not to this extent.  

Hi Noel,

How is it with other ac. Do you have stutters too when using them ? PMDG ac are heavier on your system because they are very complex.

As I have Ps working outside MSFS my sim has more breathing room. And no stutters with either SU11 beta as with the official release version 

Hopefully you will find a way to eliminate these stutters ….

Edited November 16, 20223 yr by GSalden

1 hour ago, RobJC said:

The shortcomings of the PSXT approach are no connection with ATC, not following the taxiways, landing on grass, and being jerky.

 

54 minutes ago, Noel said:

My God how can you stand that?  Wouldn't touch it with a 10' poll as I hate jerky!

Not just jerky. Again, not a bad solution but immersion just isn't there. ATC doesn't know the planes are there. It just throws it all off. IMO. 

2 hours ago, Noel said:

I've recently recognized RT Online Traffic is creating substantial stutters that I have none of with it turned off--no will trade in AI planes for smooth flight:

Here we are in the PMDG 738 w/ RTOT enabled--frequent minor but visible stuttering during taxi and elsewhere.  Unfortunately I had blamed AccuSeason for this but nope it was RTOT:

And now without, same plane same flight--liquid smooth even at 30FPS:

Interesting, what program are you using to measure this?

Edited November 16, 20223 yr by kiek

4 minutes ago, RobJC said:

Again, not a bad solution but immersion just isn't there. ATC doesn't know the planes are there. It just throws it all off. IMO. 

You must not use these artificial MSFS ATC programs at all when running PSXT+RT. Listen to Live ATC channels, that's what I call immersion.

Edited November 16, 20223 yr by kiek

7 minutes ago, RobJC said:

 

Not just jerky. Again, not a bad solution but immersion just isn't there. ATC doesn't know the planes are there. It just throws it all off. IMO. 

I'm looking primarily for something that will let me decrease the density of live traffic in the hopes limiting the sheer number will make it useable again for me.  Realtime Online w/ ST doesn't offer that control near as I can tell and in busy terminals it's a bit much to cope with.  Oftentimes I'll see 4 to 8 planes coming into KDEN or elsewhere plus all the taxiing going on.

Is the 'jerky' as bad as the PMDG Pax Bus?  My god that thing runs at 12fps or something!

Edited November 16, 20223 yr by Noel

1 minute ago, Noel said:

I'm looking primarily for something that will let me decrease the density of live traffic in the hopes limiting the sheer number will make it useable again for me.  Realtime Online w/ ST doesn't offer that control near as I can tell and in busy terminals it's a bit much to cope with.  Oftentimes I'll see 4 to 8 planes coming into KDEN or elsewhere plus all the taxiing going on.

Is the 'jerky' as bad as the PMDG Pax Bus?  My god that thing runs at 12fps or something!

The AI planes just pause slightly every couple seconds. This is on the ground or in the air. FPS are 50+ when this happens. 

2 minutes ago, Noel said:

Is the 'jerky' as bad as the PMDG Pax Bus?  My god that thing runs at 12fps or something!

With PSXT+RT you can easily have a fixed 30fps running 50 live aircraft and 70 parked static aircraft (in MSFS)  I admit there are some microstutters, mainly on the ground, not in the air

In P3D at EGLL I run with 100 live and 120 parked, no problem. My PC is 5 years old. It all comes down to lowering your sliders IMO 😉

55 minutes ago, kiek said:

With PSXT+RT you can easily have a fixed 30fps running 50 live aircraft and 70 parked static aircraft (in MSFS)  I admit there are some microstutters, mainly on the ground, not in the air

In P3D at EGLL I run with 100 live and 120 parked, no problem. My PC is 5 years old. It all comes down to lowering your sliders IMO 😉

The micro stutters is what I am talking about.