3 minutes ago, Maxis said:

I know i have to respect that for some the core features that they use the most may be broken and is a showstopper. But for me .. these are niggles that are worth reporting to get fixed  .. but not worth having a rant over. Be mindlful that SU10 got delayed and its development extended.  That meant LESS TIME to work on SU11 ... and there are going to be some dates in the development cycle which are absolutely non negotiable due to its importance (The developer would rather release a product that mostly works than nothing at all) This is one of those dates. Also be mindful that in order to achieve certain longer term goals.. sometimes features will get broken in the process and will have to be broken before getting reprogrammed and optimized for the desired end result.

If the sim is broken beyond my urge to use it.. meh ... MWII just got released.  ill take a breather for the next couple of weeks while Asobo works on the fix. Would i be bummed? Absolutely but is it worth screaming to the skies about "going in the wrong direction" I would think not.

I agree with much of what you wrote here the exception being mentioning problems on this forum.  No one is SCREAMING about the issues but rather reporting it.  The frustration your reading is once again the same old party of things that worked perfectly well in the previous version is now broke.  Plus just like SU7 (Reno) broke a major feature of the sim (the weather engine) about this same time last year, here we go again... I don't know about you but that's frustrating.  This wouldn't be that much of an issue if this was a regular cycle but knowing these things may not get addressed until February (or April for some things) is a problem.  Sometimes a hotfix is in order.  We all know Asobo will go a few updates out to fix what they broke a few updates back.  I have to say since MSFS has been released we've experienced every possible item in the software that could break so I get what you're saying about the cost of improvement but does it have to be right before the holidays?  'Here's something new and oh, we've broke a few other things we have no plan on fixing anytime soon. Merry Christmas'...😜 If the items mentioned here were new features in the sim that's one thing but it's a bitter pill to go from a perfectly stable piece of software to unstable (aka backwards).  

For me the sim has gotten better and better. Superb performance (Fenix / PMDG et. al.) and looks that the competition doesn't even come close to. Weather depiction has been superb. 

1 hour ago, Fiorentoni said:

AI traffic surely does work better on P3D, by a huge margin. It's actually mostly credible and immersive (except for the runway incursions every once in a while). the rest obviously doesn't compare to MSFS.

Don't Asobo use the FSX code for AI traffic? Which makes me wonder how it ended up so much worse than in P3D/FSX.

39 minutes ago, LRBS said:

Regarding beta people, while they have a role in development there is an issue with their knowledge and experience. The same applies to the developer. 

Unfortunately in the end is always the developer's decision when to release the software regardless of the number of bugs and also if their quality control is inexistent this is why we keep on having multiple issues.

I've been on this road before and no matter what was said by the beta team, the developer went against our concerns by releasing the buggy software hoping that a large number of customers will not notice.

The same applies here, there are so many that think that everything is OK and blindfolded by the eye candy stuff.

Is getting quite upsetting to see release-after-release bugs over bugs.....

Small correction - I think what you mean is publisher in this case, not developer. Asobo is the developer and gets a lot of heat for borked SU's and other bugs, but it's more than likely Microsoft as the publisher that push for release while Asobo are likely fully aware that it's not ready. The testers report to the developer who reports to the publisher.

18 minutes ago, Ricardo41 said:

I can count the number of CTDs I had with this sim on the finger of one hand  and still have digits to spare. 

I run everything on medium settings, with cockpit refresh rate at high, with the PMDG I get between 20 and 30 fps. Not great. But it works. 

I do my flight planning via simbrief and Navigraph, convert the plan to MSFS and have ATC as aural background, while I fly SIDs and STARs and approaches according to the charts. 

Weather looks great, clouds much improved, lighting and shadows are terrific with little to no impact on frame rates. 

My advice to folks who don't like the inbuilt ATC - ignore it and use charts. 

I'm happy with how this im is moving forward and don't get hung up on the occasional bug and regression. 

Everyone flies like this when using Fenix's A320 or PMDG's 737. The problem is sometimes you want to fly private and since we only have one long range business jet outside of the BBJ, it is what it is.  How's that Live Traffic looking at those major airports?  Oh wait, you might use FSLTL.😶  I haven't tried it yet. Can you see traffic on the display in the cockpit when using none Live Traffic now?  I remember that was an issue before in MSFS.

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And, like last year, it is likely they will begin now circulating their staff out on vacation so these things may not get looked at until January. Maybe we get an update on Thursday. 

1 minute ago, Dillon said:

I agree with much of what you wrote here the exception being mentioning problems on this forum.  No one is SCREAMING about the issues but rather reporting it.  The frustration your reading is once again the same old party of things that worked perfectly well in the previous version is now broke.  Plus just like SU7 (Reno) broke a major feature of the sim (the weather engine) about this same time last year, here we go again... I don't know about you but that's frustrating.  This wouldn't be that much of an issue if this was a regular cycle but knowing these things may not get addressed until February (or April for some things) is a problem.  Sometimes a hotfix is in order.  We all know Asobo will go a few updates out to fix what they broke a few updates back.  I have to say since MSFS has been released we've experienced every possible item in the software that could break so I get what you're saying about the cost of improvement but does it have to be right before the holidays?  'Here's something new and oh, we've broke a few other things we have no plan on fixing anytime soon. Merry Christmas'...😜 If the items mentioned here were new features in the sim that's one thing but it's a bitter pill to go from a perfectly stable piece of software to unstable (aka backwards).  

Dillon I'm sure you can identify figure of speech so I'm not going to address your assertion about screaming vs reporting. The question at hand is what's the point of this format of "reporting" it?  To whos benefit was the opening post about when everyone else is going about their business using the sim with no problems or actually trying constructively to troubleshoot their issues?(see the inibuilds A310  topics. Or even truly properly  reporting the bugs via the zendesk/msfs 2020 forums.

Your post is an interesting way to report...

just my observation.. Ill stay out of it going forward. Probably should have not participated in the first place.  

4 minutes ago, Swe_Richard said:

For me the sim has gotten better and better. Superb performance (Fenix / PMDG et. al.) and looks that the competition doesn't even come close to. Weather depiction has been superb. 

Agreed but the bugs are still there and in many cases can't be overlooked no matter how much you want too.  The only good thing about the older sims is they were static.  Each new Sim Update is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're going to get.  Today I'm frustrated, tomorrow when they screw up something you like then you're on my side of the discussion...😉😶

What irks me somewhat however is the tendency to lag with updates. The INIbuild A310 strikes me as a good example here, where it seems like the dev has found the likely culprit, but it is up to Asobo to push the update itself (on, what tuesdays or something). I'm happy I don't suffer the bad performance with the A310 as I would be supremely annoyed if I was. 

9 minutes ago, Maxis said:

Dillon I'm sure you can identify figure of speech so I'm not going to address your assertion about screaming vs reporting. The question at hand is what's the point of this format of "reporting" it?  To whos benefit was the opening post about when everyone else is going about their business using the sim with no problems or actually trying constructively to troubleshoot their issues?(see the inibuilds A310  topics. Or even truly properly  reporting the bugs via the zendesk/msfs 2020 forums.

Your post is an interesting way to report...

just my observation.. Ill stay out of it going forward. Probably should have not participated in the first place.  

Simple answer, Asobo reads these forums.  As of now when you report something on the Official forums they automatically move it to this log over convoluted SU11 thread that's a mis mash of everything from video card support to requesting new features.  The developers have said they read all threads not just their own.  The support ticket option just goes into an abyss.  I gave up when I put in a ticket shortly after MSFS's initial release reporting ATC is calling KBJC, KDTW.  That problem is still present versus issues brought up on this forum actually got addressed where Asobo stated they heard about the problem from Avsim. 

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2 minutes ago, Dillon said:

 when they screw up something you like then you're on my side of the discussion...😉😶

Oh, I understand you 100% as I have been on your side of the fence too; one of the previous sim updates (SU8 or thereabouts) more or less bricked my sim until they fixed it. 

For me I never use the default planner nor the AI as I use Vatsim. I have just the FSTL models so no issues there either. I am utterly fed up with the lost connection-reconnected loops though. 

6 minutes ago, Dillon said:

Simple answer, Asobo reads these forums.  As of now when you report something on the Official forums they automatically move it to this log over convoluted thread that's a mis mash of everything from video card support to requesting new features.  The developers have said they read all threads not just their own.  The support ticket option just goes into an abyss.  I gave up when I put in a ticket reporting ATC is calling KBJC, KDTW.  That problem is still present versus issues brought up on this forum actually got address where Asobo stated they heard about the problem from Avsim. 

Asobo literally acknowledges when a bug is identified  by tagging it over at their forums after enough people identify the specific bug and it can be verified... You think coming up with a bunch of random  unverified bug assertions on a third party forum is going to give you better traction and feedback from the developer ?

Honest answer ?

Edited November 15, 20223 yr by Maxis

8 minutes ago, Maxis said:

Asobo literally acknowledges when a bug is identified  by tagging it l over at their forums .. after enough people identify and the bug can be verified... You think coming up with a bunch of random  unverified bug assertions on a third party forum is going to give you better traction from the developer ?

Honest answer ?

Yes.

Avsim has been around along time.  Those who are on the Asobo team that are sim enthusiast cut their teeth on these forums.  Avsim, Flightsim.com, and Simflight are well known to Microsoft.  Aces used to fly key members in our community out to Redmond for conferences.  This is not like one of those Sponge Bob fan sites nobody's heard of.  

This is the problem with some of these new gamer members.  If you think so little of the hobby and have no history of the relevance of our various sites why are you here or at least commenting in this thread?😐

Edited November 15, 20223 yr by Dillon

This "new gamer member" has been on the forums since 2003 and have been simming since FS4.0 for dos and was on flightsim.com before Avsim got bigger..

Me questioning your post is not intended to poke the bear but for you to see the bigger picture... I can tell your frustrated .. I empathise .. however your post does not appear to move the ball forward.. or provide a fix to the problems you encounter. Sometimes you will have to wait for the people who can fix it get around to it and no amount of complaining "reporting"  is going to make the process any faster. 

 

Enjoy your holidays.  

Edited November 15, 20223 yr by Maxis

Just now, Maxis said:

This "new gamer member" has been on the forums since 2003 and have been simming since FS4.0 for dos.

Me questioning your post is not intended to poke the bear but for you to see the bigger picture... I can tell your frustrated .. I empathise .. however your post does not appear to move the ball forward.. or provide a fix to the problems you encounter. Sometimes you will have to wait for the people who can fix it get around to it and no amount of complaining /reporting  is going to make the process any faster. 

 

Enjoy your holidays.  

If you've been around that long I find it hard to believe you would dismiss Avsim the way you did.  That being said none of us have the keys to fix any problem with the core coding of FS.  Heck Lockheed couldn't do that with the FSX engine they got.  They've had to put lipstick on a pig and go from there.  Again the point is to put the problems out there to first see how many are seeing the issue, second collectively have we found work arounds (it's been the FSX way for years called 'Tweaking'). If you've been around awhile you know this get's back to Microsoft when it's coming from Flightsim.com and Avsim.  Do you actually think an employee of Asobo who's a sim/aviation enthusiast is just monitoring their forums?  Put yourself in that place and tell me would you do that?  Before they got hired they were looking at Avsim and their looking at Avsim now.  They can't comment but their looking.  That being said I've reported my findings on the official forums where it's currently being discussed.