...Control assignments. Namely the throttle/collective assignments. (Cyclic and rudder not a problem)

Please tell me I'm not alone having trouble with that aspect of helicopters. I have the Asobo offerings and the Hype H135, H145 + the action pack.

Item 1. The Cabri. I can assign a Helicopter throttle axis AND a collective axis. Perfect! (If you haven't tried it you're missing a degree of control not offered by a combined axis. i.e throttle)

Item 2 The 407 won't play with that setup. It insists on throttle axis

Item 3 The Hypes don't have, as far as I can discover, a separate throttle and collective axis. Just the throttle multitasking. These are very 'complex' products so I'm surprised by that 'simplicity' (Spare me the Early Access excuses) 

If I am alone and are just too dim to figure it out would some kind soul please help a old man out?

Here endeth the cri de coeur

I did not try the Cabri or the 407, but I have a separate axis in the 145 for throttle and collective. These are the same axes as for a prop airplane.

I have only flown the Cabri so far with the Warthog HOTAS set up as this 

- Set helicopter throttle axis :  Joystick R axis Z reverse checked

- Collective : Joystick L axis Z reverse unchecked

This setup doesn't work on the Bell ,I just checked it for you. The collective works but not the throttle.

Have you tried all the throttle options ? There was a problem like this with an aircraft some months ago. One had to select Throttle 1 and not the generic one.

 

One would think that Asobo would spell out the axis to Nemeth concerning the B407. 

Even worse: it doesn't matter; you can fly the B407 with the throttle at Idle. 🤯

This is my setup for the H145:

 

 

21 minutes ago, lupedelupe said:

You can fly the B407 with the throttle at Idle

If the governor is activated, the throttle will kind of sync with the rotor demands of the collective. But indeed, the throttle of the 407 is not responding to the same assigned lever as the Cabri. That's what I like about the Cabri: throttle idle and then auto rotate. 🙂

18 minutes ago, Viking01 said:

This is my setup for the H145:

And that highlights the issue. Assigning the throttle does the job of both the throttle and the collective. The other two are for the cyclic which is not a problem. The only chopper that does it right is the Cabri.

As Lupedelupe said, there really ought to be an agreement between Asobo or Microsoft, whoever decides these things and developers the ground rules for controls. It's not just helicopters. There are instances of crossed wires over all types of aircraft.

What I'm getting so far is that I'm not alone. Which is nice. 😃

Proper heli Cyclic "roll" and "pitch" axis should be used for the two new helis.

BTW: You should also set a toggle control to the Clutch and another one to the Governor.

There's a bug with the Governor/throttle logic: MSFS Cabri G2 throttle bug - YouTube

Edited December 5, 20223 yr by jcomm

56 minutes ago, jcomm said:

Proper heli Cyclic "roll" and "pitch" axis should be used for the two new helis.

Just out of curiosity, what is the benefit of having them dedicated to the proper helicopter bindings instead of the normal pitch- and roll-axis from fixed wing aircraft?

I really don't have an informed answer for that question, but truth is they included those two new cyclic axis.

One possible reason is that they somehow modulate their input in the helicopter flight dynamics, to better adapt them for various types of hardware controllers?

Edited December 5, 20223 yr by jcomm

2 hours ago, bvdboomen said:

Just out of curiosity, what is the benefit of having them dedicated to the proper helicopter bindings instead of the normal pitch- and roll-axis from fixed wing aircraft?

Funny you should say that. I was pondering that myself. I think they didn't think things through. All you need is an additional 'Collective' command. Everything else is catered for.

On 12/5/2022 at 12:22 PM, bvdboomen said:

Just out of curiosity, what is the benefit of having them dedicated to the proper helicopter bindings instead of the normal pitch- and roll-axis from fixed wing aircraft?

 

23 hours ago, jcomm said:

One possible reason is that they somehow modulate their input in the helicopter flight dynamics

 

22 hours ago, Ron Attwood said:

Funny you should say that. I was pondering that myself. I think they didn't think things through. All you need is an additional 'Collective' command. Everything else is catered for.

At least for me, when switching to the "cyclic" controls, I noticed a very subtle and slight delayed response to my inputs. Seb described this delayed reaction in one of the vids (fluidity etc.).

Anyway (hard to explain, or maybe just a placebo), but the helis do not instantly respond with these assignments, there is a bit of a cushion.

Could be just me, but it was subtle but very noticeable when I switched to the cyclic assignments. Glad I did.

11 minutes ago, OverTheEDJ said:

 

 

 Glad I did.

I am with you here.  

1 hour ago, OverTheEDJ said:

At least for me, when switching to the "cyclic" controls, I noticed a very subtle and slight delayed response to my inputs. Seb described this delayed reaction in one of the vids (fluidity etc.).

Anyway (hard to explain, or maybe just a placebo), but the helis do not instantly respond with these assignments, there is a bit of a cushion.

Could be just me, but it was subtle but very noticeable when I switched to the cyclic assignments. Glad I did.

This highlights the problem. The Hype H145 and H135 ONLY respond to aileron and elevator axis. They'll have nothing to do with cyclic commands. Back to my....

 

On 12/5/2022 at 4:08 PM, Ron Attwood said:

there really ought to be an agreement between Asobo or Microsoft, whoever decides these things and developers the ground rules for controls.

I'll see if the Cabri and 407 play nicely with cyclic. I suspect they will.

41 minutes ago, Ron Attwood said:

I'll see if the Cabri and 407 play nicely with cyclic. I suspect they will.

Jury's out.