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Anyone participating in these forums over the past 6+ months well knows that @abrams_tank posts news, info, and tidbits about MSFS 2024. He is obviously excited about the sim, and shares that enthusiasm here on the forum, which is part of what this forum is designed for, correct? Even if something has been covered before, there is no guarantee that everyone got the memo, so there is no harm in reiterating old news. Certainly not enough to “call someone out” over it. Your analogy here fails as P3D has its own forum. MSFS is a “combined” forum…even after folk called for “separate” forums. Nonetheless, if someone is going to point out features about MSFS20 or MSFS24 in comparison to each other, users etc., then they have no choice but to put it in the combined forum. I think that the holes in your analogy illustrates the leaps that someone has to go through to find something wrong with what the OP presented. And yes, we can agree to disagree…

1) FSReborn Sting S4 2) Tecnam P2008 JC MKII 3) Miltech MH60

The Boeing training shows how MSFS spans the field in its usefulness. From Career Mode to Missions / Challenges to the more sophisticated avionics by World Title, MSFS offers something for everyone (at every level) including training. I took note of the training aspect when Sportys online flight school adopted MSFS in their supplemental training exercises, even building a freeware airport for MSFS. I am pretty sure that in the next 5 - 10 years, there will be some pilot (at any level) recounting how it all started with an xbox and a gaming pad, to a more sophisticated flight sim set up, to flight school, to where they are now…and how they have used MSFS in some form at every stage.

So are you saying that professional pilots are not trying to make money on YT as well? Flightdeck2sim has a members only section for some vids, that requires money to view, correct? Plus, his statement (to me) was to address simply "watching" YT in general to base one's opinion about sim without actually "trying" it for yourself. As there are many content creators out there passing their opinions (good or bad) with the "main" objective of building a subscription base and view counts to make money.

The majority here can see the intentions behind your post.... MSFS20 and MSFS24 are the top "2" selling sims with millions of users and now with MSFS24 on 3 major platforms (PC, XB, & PS). We can compare all day and claim that MSFS is not this or that, but we cannot ignore the facts in bold above. So apparently MSFS is doing something (or some things) right. Asobo got the "call"...by the millions.

Good Video. There is nothing wrong with comparing and respecting each other's opinion. XP12 looks good, MSFS looks much better in many areas and ticks more boxes (missions etc) for me to use it 100% of the time. The 3rd Party support for Helis like Miltech and HPG are second to none. Happy flying folks...

So wait, there is an addon that stops the pop-in sign (and parked airplanes?) at the airport? If so, what is this addon?

I wonder how many MSFS20 users purchased MSFS24, and then decided to go back. If I had the time to invest in swapping out my MSFS24 for MSFS20, I would do it for now. But ultimately, I figure that I would come back to MSFS24 after a few more sim updates. For now, I just have to deal with the botched flight planner / EFB / Website planner and neglected default planes, and enjoy it for what I can get out of it until better days. But I can certainly understand why there is still a huge MSFS20 user base.

I have a Virpil throttle and have to map both the throttle and prop for the Pipestrel Virus SW121. Fair warning, the Virus has serious Autopilot and avionics issues, particularly when loading in a flight plan. It is a frustrating realization for a simple plane that should have been be a lot of fun, especially given the air brakes. If you can get a refund, I recommend that you do so. Any of the Tecnam small planes are a better experience, especially the model that uses the native G3X.

I noticed both a performance increase (panning); more planes and now "parked" cars at some of the smaller airports that did not show in the earlier builds. We are getting there, although I think it will be another another year before we get to where we should have been at launch.

That is why the title of this thread is so fitting. MSFS created this 2 sim debacle (MSFS2020 vs MSFS2024) along with a botched launch for MSFS2024. I def don't know MSFS financial situation, but I can't imagine that they reached any financial target goals for MSFS2024, starting with the late opening of the marketplace. I have only purchased 1 aircraft (MSFS2020 native) for MSFS2024 and that is all the extras that I have in MSFS2024. This pales in comparison to the 300+ addons that I had accumulated for MSFS2020 (about 50 payware) over 4 years. I am just not going to invest that much in addons anymore if they are just going to make another sim 3 years from now that further fragments what can and can't be used, or what is optimized for what version and not. I learned to keep it simple, as close to stock as possible and be happy with that.

Hmmmm, I suspect that this is a real video being pushed off as MSFS. I mean, these types of posts have been known to pop up on Avsim. LOL. Jokes aside, this vid is one reason why I stick with MSFS2024 despite its issues. Another year or so, this sim is going to really shine above all of the teething that we see now.

I do agree that if you want to fly with no hassle, stick with MSFS2020. I toggled back and forth a bit but MSFS2024 is the only sim that I fly (having deleted MSFS2020). I do mostly GA flying with smaller aircraft, and the ground handling / taxiing in MSFS2024 won me over (no more feeling like I am on ice). But I can certainly understand someone who chooses / sees MSFS2020 as the better sim right now depending on how they use it.

1) MSFS has brought million of consumers to flight simmimg. Fact 2) Many 3PDevs have flocked to MSFS, some abandoning all other sim platforms. Fact 3) Since the release of MSFS, many filght hardware devs have entered the flight sim space making both PC and X-box hardware, one or more branding their product after MSFS. Fact 4) The flight Expo attracts these same consumers, 3PDevs, and hardware developers. Fact 5) MSFS popularity has a direct impact on the popularity of the Expo and Flight simming. Fact A clear sign of when you have lost an argument, is when you resort to comments like "worship the alter" because you can't change the facts, and you can't fool the other person into being distracted from the facts while you offer your own "opinion" in denial of the facts.

Try presenting a cognitive post that relates to the topic, and not laced with the kind of ad hominem attacks that usually spiral out of control and eventually get threads closed. You do know my forum handle, correct? Its on the left of my post. PROVE that you can constructively add to the conversation.

Earlier I said that the popularity of the Expo had everything to do with MSFS-Asobo influence on flight simming. Increase in consumers (millions), increase in 3PDevs, increase in hardware Dev etc. These are the facts, you trying to cherry pick another quote that I made in response to another poster about MSFS announcement and subsequent impact on attendance does not change the facts of our earlier discussion about Expos popularity due to MSFS impact on flight simming that makes the EXPO (MSFS attendance or not) what it is today. Nice try, but you cannot deny / dispute the fact that MSFS popularity and dominant position in flight simming today has a direct impact on everything flight simming including the popularity of the Expo. Splitting hairs, and other distraction do not work on me, dispute the facts about the Expos popularity thanks to MSFS, you can't.

Good point about the late announcement, and possibly keeping it that way to not effect attendance. Again, I was skeptical last year when Jorg would not commit to stating that Asosbo would return for 2025. Given the cheap investment posted above, I am more and more inclined to think that he knew they were not going to attend back then.

Nope, it was simple logic that you can't get around so now you resort to insults. I don't play those games. You said "bye", I said "bye". Lets leave it there. Thanks.

But they did in a livestream. Really can't go any further with you here... Thanks for your contributions to this thread.

So you can make demands and ask questions of others, but refuse to do research. Got it. Um, can you provide evidence that you did not attend? I mean you are demanding that I provide evidence to "back up" my statements of Fact. I made a claim about the first female VP, was that a FACT? Could you confirm it? Bye.

That's some reasonable pricing. As I stated before, I think that the writing was on the wall last year that MSFS would not attend this year. Jorge looked too uncomfortable when asked if they would return for 2025. I think MSFS had plans to do their own thing going foward... Then the MSFS2024 launch was a disaster (and in some ways, still is for some users). While MSFS had a legitimate excuse for not attending this year, I also think that the overall feeling around MSFS 2024 in its current state (SU3 approaching) is not too positive. There are still many issues and I think that MSFS would have definitely felt that frustrated energy had they attended. So that is why I am speculating and started the thread.

Funny how you are not asking me about backing up the VP FACT. I did not provide evidence of that one either. And guess what, I did not need to because its a FACT that you can confirm for your yourself, and even if you choose not to, the FACT still remains. Have you? Um and when you answer that the question with facts, please provide the evidence to back it up. I am not requiring that you do so, I am just asking you to do the things that you require of others as it relates to fact on this forum. Start with you.

That's what you say, you are welcome to research "these" forums to find it yourself. I stated a FACT, like the United States had its first female VP in 2021. I did not give you a name, quotes, or links. Is that hearsay? Or are you able to confirm it for yourself? FACTS remain regardless of what "you" think about them. They announced it and it became the biggest news of the "year" for flight simming. Splitting hairs does not change the facts that I presented. Yep.....until MSFS came back on the scene in 2019 and ultimately made the Expo what it is today. But it had an impact on millions of PC and newly introduced X-Box users that helped grow the flight sim base that makes the "Expo" what it is today.

Interesting, because I recall a very top mod on Avsim stating that it (referring to 2018 or 2019) was the most boring he had been to. Everyone has their "opinion". Some will agree with you, some will agree with me. But the fact is that the MSFS announcement was the biggest news "that" weekend in 2019. There were more attendees this year due to MSFS influence and popularity that has "expanded" the flight consumer base. Expanding the consumer base has a direct impact on expanding the attendees for the Expo looking at products made by Devs that invested heavily due to MSFS. That's just logic. That fact that MSFS was not there (but was there in "spirit" like their city update to commemorate the event) proves my point more so than yours. Rethink your logic. There are plenty of 3PDevs who abandoned "all other" development platforms to "soley" focus on MSFS. You do what works for you, but others like PMDG has already expressed huge sales bumps by investing in MSFS vs other platforms. MSFS popularity and influence on flight simming itself is a fact, not a feeling.

Much of the spike in interest around flight simming over the past 5 years is due to MSFS. From 3PDevs to hardware Devs, many more companies have invested heavily in products due to MSFS huge customer base (millions) and earnings potential. PMDG is a perfect example of this now soley producing for MSFS, and claiming that they sold more units in MSFS in a short time than all other sims combined in their history of sales. Moza was huge in the hardware for Car simulators, and is now heavily invested in flight simming, There is also Turtle Beach, and now Next Level has a “MSFS edition” flight chair. With all that said, the attendance of the Expo today is “what it is” due to MSFS influence / attraction, even in their absence. That is the reality, and it does not take away from others hard work; it helps to make their hard work pay off with respect to the overall interest in flight simming today...thanks to MSFS. Lets not forget the 2019 MSFS announcement that overshadowed the boring 2019 Expo that same weekend. MSFS definitely owned "that" weekend then with respect to reaction, excitement, and buzz. So yeah, I think that it is safe for someone today to say that its "MSFS Expo anyway".