28 minutes ago, Dillon said:

How is it the current G3000 can import Navigraph charts without issue but the new one by the same developer (Working Title) can't?  How/why did the licensing situation change?

WorkingTitle are hired by Microsoft now (well they have been for a while). They can't just integrate with 3rd parties like Navigraph, Simbrief, Hoppie without agreements in place with Microsoft. Which is understandable - Now Navigraph have mentioned they are looking at creating a mod/addon down the line so that charts could be a possibility in the new avionics packages. 

Edited December 20, 20223 yr by Zangoose

5 minutes ago, Zangoose said:

WorkingTitle are hired by Microsoft now (well they have been for a while). They can't just integrate with 3rd parties like Navigraph, Simbrief, Hoppie without agreements in place with Microsoft. Which is understandable - Now Navigraph have mentioned they are looking at creating a mod/addon down the line so that charts could be a possibility in the new avionics packages. 

Again, give us the option to have two versions of the Longitude in the sim until this is all sorted out.  Much like the 'Fly By' feature is only available in the 'Developer' settings until all issues are sorted out.  Do to the long range of the Longitude I'm not too excited about the prospect of not being able to to use the 'Fly to' feature.  Being a purist is great for short range birds like the VisionJet or HJet but not the Longitude.  I don't have the time to fly from Minnesota (snow) to St. Lucia (beaches) in real time.😶  

2 hours ago, Dillon said:

...  I don't have the time to fly from Minnesota (snow) to St. Lucia (beaches) in real time.😶  

Please read again what Matt told you:

Importing a flight plan from the world map will be fixed in the next update.

2 hours ago, Dillon said:

Again, give us the option to have two versions of the Longitude in the sim until this is all sorted out.  Much like the 'Fly By' feature is only available in the 'Developer' settings until all issues are sorted out.  Do to the long range of the Longitude I'm not too excited about the prospect of not being able to to use the 'Fly to' feature.  Being a purist is great for short range birds like the VisionJet or HJet but not the Longitude.  I don't have the time to fly from Minnesota (snow) to St. Lucia (beaches) in real time.😶  

This isn’t a technical issue, it’s a legal one. Technically it’s easy, legally is another matter entirely. Technical solutions (two versions) aren’t the answer. 
 

let’s wait and see.

3 minutes ago, asanosho said:

Please read again what Matt told you:

Importing a flight plan from the world map will be fixed in the next update.

And yes, the ingame flight planner will work soon, so that solves your issue. 
 

you can even use simbrief - just download the plan (using the SB downloader) and load it inside MSFS. 

3 hours ago, Dillon said:

considering what's all in the new Garmin but not having the ability to import a default flight plan and import charts is huge for some of us. 

The "new" Longitude is pretty much an entirely different aircraft, compared to the original version (even with Dakfly's mod). I would never in a million years go back to that version.

 

5 hours ago, Dillon said:

How is it the current G3000 can import Navigraph charts without issue but the new one by the same developer (Working Title) can't?  How and why did the licensing situation change?

The truth is, we're not quite the same developer. The G3000 mod was developed by a small group of unpaid volunteers with no company and no legal concerns.

We're the same individuals that did the mod, yes, but Working Title Simulations, LLC is a company whose work is paid for as a part of being a first party developer on the MSFS team, just like Asobo. The legal concerns are above our level and are very real. You can't just add huge data sources or the ability to link huge data sources as first party official features without license agreements in place with those vendors and with their vendors, and you can't just add third party APIs as official features to a retail shipping product without having some sort of support agreements in place that guarantee that those APIs that support those features will be available with some specified uptime, SLAs, etc. So, it isn't just as simple as waving some wand, unfortunately.

5 hours ago, Dillon said:

This might sound harsh but considering what's all in the new Garmin but not having the ability to import a default flight plan

The product is already intended to support importing a default flight plan, which I already mentioned. Right now there's an issue where the timing of the sim plan sync to avionics is happening slightly differently than we expect and causing the sync to fail most (but not all) of the time. This will be fixed in the next release.

5 hours ago, Dillon said:

This forced 'Upgrade with Lesser options' is not good

The legacy WT G3000 mod still exists, and the community is free to make it compatible with the sim. It's open source, we're not going to reject any updates to it, we just don't have time to do it ourselves (nor would it make any sense for us to).

The fact is that this isn't an upgrade to the mod or a port of the mod into the sim: there isn't a single line of code from the mod in the new G3000 at all. This is a brand-new product built from the ground up, over the span of nearly 15,000 hours of dev time and 1000+ of hours of QA time. We understand folks will be disappointed in the lack of some features, but we feel the vastly, vastly improved accuracy and featureset of the new G3000 overshadows those things by a country mile. And, nobody is stopping anyone from modding our new G3000. It isn't like the code is locked down or we're the only people on this earth that can mod charts into an avionics system. 🙂

Y'all at WT are doing the good work, Matt.

The G1000NXi is my favorite panel/avionics stack and I'm looking forward with anticipation to the "new" Longitude with the G3000. 🙂

40 minutes ago, MattNischan said:

The truth is, we're not quite the same developer. The G3000 mod was developed by a small group of unpaid volunteers with no company and no legal concerns.

We're the same individuals that did the mod, yes, but Working Title Simulations, LLC is a company whose work is paid for as a part of being a first party developer on the MSFS team, just like Asobo. The legal concerns are above our level and are very real. You can't just add huge data sources or the ability to link huge data sources as first party official features without license agreements in place with those vendors and with their vendors, and you can't just add third party APIs as official features to a retail shipping product without having some sort of support agreements in place that guarantee that those APIs that support those features will be available with some specified uptime, SLAs, etc. So, it isn't just as simple as waving some wand, unfortunately.

So what will be the the most likely outcome:

- Agreement between Microsoft and Navigraph?

- MSFS Charts+ integration, which was announced before release?

- Navigraph own software to inject data? 

24 minutes ago, bendead said:

 

- Navigraph own software to inject data? 

Navigraph have already said that they are looking to provide this, so I very much suspect this will the first (or only) solution.

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4 minutes ago, Gazzareth said:

Navigraph have already said that they are looking to provide this, so I very much suspect this will the first (or only) solution.

G

 

 

Let's hope it will work

1 hour ago, OlliePen said:

Y'all at WT are doing the good work, Matt.

The G1000NXi is my favorite panel/avionics stack and I'm looking forward with anticipation to the "new" Longitude with the G3000. 🙂

I thought the Longitude would have a new G5000 gauge set.😶

Edited December 20, 20223 yr by Dillon

1 hour ago, MattNischan said:

The fact is that this isn't an upgrade to the mod or a port of the mod into the sim: there isn't a single line of code from the mod in the new G3000 at all. This is a brand-new product built from the ground up, over the span of nearly 15,000 hours of dev time and 1000+ of hours of QA time. We understand folks will be disappointed in the lack of some features, but we feel the vastly, vastly improved accuracy and featureset of the new G3000 overshadows those things by a country mile. And, nobody is stopping anyone from modding our new G3000. It isn't like the code is locked down or we're the only people on this earth that can mod charts into an avionics system. 🙂

Thanks for the clarification as to the background challenges.  Looking forward to the release version.🙂

19 minutes ago, Dillon said:

I thought the Longitude would have a new G5000 gauge set.

The G3000 and G5000 are the exact same avionics system, they just differ in certification and target installation market. There are no features, user interface, screen layout, iconology, behaviors, etc that differentiate the G3000 from the G5000.

What we have provided for the Longitude is basically indistinguishable from the actual Longitude avionics.

1 hour ago, bendead said:

So what will be the the most likely outcome:

- Agreement between Microsoft and Navigraph?

- MSFS Charts+ integration, which was announced before release?

- Navigraph own software to inject data? 

That would be a question for those organizations (MS, Navigraph, Jeppesen, NavBlue, et al).