January 8, 20233 yr Emotional support pit bull mauled 5 year old girl " Mima Gonzalez is suing the dog’s owner, Michelle Brannan, Alaska Airlines and the Port of Portland, alleging that the pit bull was let into the airport without a carrier. " https://nypost.com/2019/02/28/emotional-support-pit-bull-mauled-5-year-old-girl-suit/ 5800X3D, RTX4070, 600 Watt, one or two 1440p 32" screens, 64 GB RAM, 4 TB PCle 3 NVMe, Warthog throttle, VKB NXT EVO stick, Honeycomb Alpha yoke, CH quad, 3 Logitech panels, 2 StreamDecks, Desktop Aviator Trim Panel. Crystal Light VR.
January 8, 20233 yr Author Are these emotional support animals something new? When did it start? I never heard of it before. In all my years I never heard the term 'emotional support animals' until I read it in this thread. Pets belong in carriers in the baggage compartment. That's the way they travelled in my time. No exceptions except for seeing eye dogs. And pit bulls especially. Thery are dangerous animals. My personal opinion is they should be outlawed. I'll probably get flack for saying that. But I didn't start carrying a handgun on our hikes until we were threatened by one once. We had to stop and its owner had to drag it off the trail so we could continue on. It was growling and snarling at us. If any of the passengers want to come over to my seat and pet my emotional support rattle snake come on down! Noel The tires are worn. The shocks are shot. The steering is wobbly. But the engine still runs fine.
January 8, 20233 yr A friend of mine, glider and tug pilot and instructor, used to take his dog Petra to the airfield - Sintra Airbase. She was free, but was very "reponsible" and never approached taxi or runway areas without prior authorization 🙂 During tug time she used to go with him in the tug ( a Rallye Commodore ) and also in the glider 🙂 Was particularly fond of aerobatics in an As-K21 !!! - Reminds me of Dog Goes Weightless In Airplane with Zero Gravity - YouTube Edited January 8, 20233 yr by cagarini Flying gliders since 1980 Flightsimming since 1992 AMD Ryzen 5600x, 32GB RAM, GPU Nvidia RTX 3060 Ti 8 GB, 1 TB and 500 GB nvme2 SSD drives, HP 27" 60Hz LED monitor @ 1920x1080, T16000, Hotas from old X52 Pro, Saitek Combat Rudder Pro (2010 model)
January 8, 20233 yr 8 hours ago, birdguy said: And pit bulls especially. Thery are dangerous animals. My personal opinion is they should be outlawed. I'll probably get flack for saying that. But I didn't start carrying a handgun on our hikes until we were threatened by one once. We had to stop and its owner had to drag it off the trail so we could continue on. It was growling and snarling at us. Pit bulls are illegal in the UK, under the "dangerous dogs act". From 1991. There were eleven horrific dog attacks' in 1991 so the government acted. The act has been criticized for concentrating on the breed, the way the dog looks, rather than a dogs behavior. They say it hasn't stemmed the dog attacks either. The Act applies to four types of dogs: Pit Bull Terrier Japanese Tosa Dogo Argentino Fila Brasileiro https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dangerous_Dogs_Act_1991 Controversy surrounds whether its the dogs genes, its natural behavior, that makes it viscous, or if its the owner to blame for the way they raise the dogs. Quote The Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals and the British Veterinary Association are both against the breed-specific legislation provisions of the Act (Section 1), mainly on the basis that there is no scientific evidence that all individuals of a breed are dangerous.[22][23] However, data from the Metropolitan Police shows that in incidents involving 'dangerously out of control dogs' banned breeds account for about 20% of offences. Defra says "a large number of serious cases from a very small population of dogs in circulation, and that is striking evidence that there is an issue with this particular type of dog",[24] while a Member of Parliament said "Despite the fact that dogs on the exempt list must be muzzled in public, that breed still accounts for almost 20% of all reported attacks. We know also that pit bulls have been involved in seven of the 31 fatal attacks that have occurred since 2005. That is highly disproportionate for one type of dog that is banned, and it underlines the need to be cautious about change in this area."[25] I do wonder if the cases from that small population of dogs is because those are the breeds dodgy people train (abuse) for fighting. I remain unsure to be honest. Edited January 8, 20233 yr by martin-w
January 8, 20233 yr Author Here's why Martin. https://outdoordogfun.com/how-strong-is-a-pitbulls-bite/ After a pit bull attack on a person or child the owner says, "Why, he's been gentle with our children for years. I don't know why he attacked that woman." I know gang members own pit bulls for the intimidation factor. Sometimes I see them in the park across the street and they almost always have one on a leash. And people get out of their way. As I said in my previous post Betty and I were confronted by on a guy had on leash and had to drag off the trail to allow us to pass. That's when I began carrying my pistol on our hikes. Not for mpountain lions or bears, but for people who bring their pit bulls along. We came off a hike once and at the parking lot was a pickup truck with a couple of guys getting their gear out to start their hike. A pit bull was chained to the bumper. As soon as it saw us it started barking and growling and stretching the chain. We got into our car as quickly as possible. As mentioned in the article the danger is they don't let go and keep shaking. It takes a third person or a break-stick to break their grip. I see no social redeeming factor in owning one. I generally like dogs. We've always had dogs for our kids when they were growing up. Once a beagle bust mostly German Shepherds. The reason we have cats now instead of dogs is the maintenance factor. I don't want to have to go into the backyard a couple times a week to clean up dog poop. With my indoor-outdoor cats I don't have that problem and we don't need a litter box. Noel Edited January 8, 20233 yr by birdguy The tires are worn. The shocks are shot. The steering is wobbly. But the engine still runs fine.
January 9, 20233 yr 17 hours ago, birdguy said: Here's why Martin. https://outdoordogfun.com/how-strong-is-a-pitbulls-bite/ From the article you linked to Noel... Quote Pitbulls descended from bulldogs and terriers, though its breed’s history is still ambiguous. Even though the widespread belief is that Pitbulls are a vicious breed of dogs, many people disagree with this statement. There is no solid proof to justify or reprove these claims. Pitbulls are known for their strength and vigor, including their bite. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you Noel. It may well be that there are "viscous genes" at play, that make certain dogs dangerous. Its hard to prove though. Animals and human are a product of nature and nurture, so its hard to determine which has the most influence in a particular case. As for biting force, as your article said, there are a number of dogs with even more powerful jaws. 17 hours ago, birdguy said: After a pit bull attack on a person or child the owner says, "Why, he's been gentle with our children for years. I don't know why he attacked that woman." That happened to my former next door neighbor. The dog attacked the daughter, bit her face, not once but twice. Not a pit bull, just an ordinary breed. 17 hours ago, birdguy said: We came off a hike once and at the parking lot was a pickup truck with a couple of guys getting their gear out to start their hike. A pit bull was chained to the bumper. As soon as it saw us it started barking and growling and stretching the chain. We got into our car as quickly as possible. That happened to me and my daughter. Just one of those little terrier dogs. We were walking in a beauty spot back in the UK, wooded area, and the dog leaped over a fallen tree to within a few feet of us barking and snarling viscously. My daughter hid behind me. 😄 The owner came running over after a few minutes very apologetically and put it back on the lead. I'm sure you can understand how angry I was, the bloody dog should never have been let off the lead if that viscous. So yes, any dog can be dangerous. 17 hours ago, birdguy said: As mentioned in the article the danger is they don't let go and keep shaking. It takes a third person or a break-stick to break their grip. I see no social redeeming factor in owning one. Fair point. 👍 I agree, I'm just saying that its hard to determine if there a genetic predisposition for aggression. Quote A statistical study over 13 years of fatal attacks by dogs in the US shows that Pitbulls were responsible for 66% of the total fatalities, with the Rottweiler and German Shepherd coming in second and third. In another study conducted over 10 years, Pitbulls were responsible for either killing or maiming 3,569 people in the USA and Canada. During the attacks, most deaths are a result of intense bleeding and head injuries. Yikes! Interesting that German Shepard's were third.
January 9, 20233 yr Author We once owned a German Shepherd when the kids were little. His name was Flame. He was a very well trained dog and was given to us by a dog trainer because he was being sent to Turkey and could only take one dog with him. He chose a pup from the litter Flame had sired. Flame took a liking to my oldest daughter. He slept at the foot of her bed. If I ever had to discipline her for anything I had to take Flame out into the back yard first. He was very protective of her. He understood that the other three kids were playing whenever they were roughhousing. Even with the neighborhood kids. But he would not let adults even scold her without snarling at them. Even me. Noel The tires are worn. The shocks are shot. The steering is wobbly. But the engine still runs fine.
January 9, 20233 yr Once I was walking along a sidewalk in a very poor residential area. The front doors all had screen doors in front of them. One screen had a large hole in it. And through it a charging pit bull ran out straight at me, full speed. Someone (the owner I guess) opened the door and loudly whistled. The dog stopped instantly, did a nose dive, turned around and trotted back into the house. At that point, I was not about to go and confront the owner. Not with that opening still in the screen door. 5800X3D, RTX4070, 600 Watt, one or two 1440p 32" screens, 64 GB RAM, 4 TB PCle 3 NVMe, Warthog throttle, VKB NXT EVO stick, Honeycomb Alpha yoke, CH quad, 3 Logitech panels, 2 StreamDecks, Desktop Aviator Trim Panel. Crystal Light VR.
January 9, 20233 yr Moderator I love most dogs, but honestly think that pit bulls, rottweilers, and bulldogs should all be spayed or neutered as appropriate... Fr. Bill AOPA Member: 07141481 AARP Member: 3209010556 Avsim Board of Directors | Avsim Forums Moderator
January 10, 20233 yr On 1/9/2023 at 4:06 PM, birdguy said: We once owned a German Shepherd when the kids were little. His name was Flame. He was a very well trained dog and was given to us by a dog trainer because he was being sent to Turkey and could only take one dog with him. He chose a pup from the litter Flame had sired. Flame took a liking to my oldest daughter. He slept at the foot of her bed. If I ever had to discipline her for anything I had to take Flame out into the back yard first. He was very protective of her. He understood that the other three kids were playing whenever they were roughhousing. Even with the neighborhood kids. But he would not let adults even scold her without snarling at them. Even me. Noel I've heard that before about German Shepherds, how they bond with one person and are very protective. I remember when my daughter asked me to look at her faulty hairdryer. I waggled the cable and it arched out, quite a flash. Our cat, rather than running away from the source of danger, ran in toward me from the kitchen. 😲 Pretty sure he was running toward me to protect me. I'm sure you've seen the video's on YouTube, of cats chasing of crazy dogs, protecting children. Animals are truly amazing. Edited January 10, 20233 yr by martin-w
January 10, 20233 yr Author 1 hour ago, martin-w said: I've heard that before about German Shepherds, how they bond with one person and are very protective. That's why they make good police and war dogs. They have a handler they train with and they really bond with each other. In fact when the service member is discharged he can take his dog home with him. Noel The tires are worn. The shocks are shot. The steering is wobbly. But the engine still runs fine.
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