OMG the Clouds!

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13 minutes ago, turbomax said:

sounds great, but only you wish. anything critical of xplane was countered by " then don't use it" or " you had your free demo period" or "why do you even post here anyway" and so on. this type of aggressive arrogance towards paying full price customers who came here for help or to express their disappointment with fundamental bugs is the reason we are having these discussions.

we have thousands of complaints and critique the other sim in the other forum, but never with getting so personal and aggressive.

"Nothing wrong with criticism." ok, then there is no need to retaliate each and every time, Mr. Goran et al.

 

+1

[GoranM 3,764]

21 minutes ago, turbomax said:

just like we do in restaurants, about movies, good or bad service, you name it.

Again, you have every right to complain.  As you do in restaurants.  Theatres.  Anywhere.  But expect rebuttals.  A restaurant manager is well within his or her rights to have you escorted off the property, for any reason.  Then it's up to you to vote with your wallet.  

You fall into the category of people who feel they are entitled to voice an opinion, and no one can challenge it.  Do you really expect no one to refute your criticisms?  And those who do, are...wrong??

21 minutes ago, turbomax said:

we are entitled to better than what xperiment12 currently delivers.

This, right here, voids any constructive discussion you may expect.  It's immaturity, in an almost pure form.  Why do it?  To get people worked up?  It's not working.  We're just shaking our heads at it, wondering how anyone can be so childish.

21 minutes ago, turbomax said:

considering it's the only simulator that celebrates itself for being FAA approved.

Well, it is.  I'm not sure where you want to go with that.  Research it.  A version of it is FAA approved, and counts towards flight hours.  

21 minutes ago, turbomax said:

Goran don't get me wrong I was so looking forward to xp12 and the new clouds etc

If it didn't deliver what you wanted, why keep using it??  I don't get it.  It's a question I've been asking for years, and no one will answer.  The question, literally, goes unanswered.  I tried MSFS.  I didn't like it.  I uninstalled it and stopped using it.  I didn't go into the MSFS forums for 2 years complaining about everything I didn't like about it.

21 minutes ago, turbomax said:

clouds and antialiasing being the visually most appalling for me as a VR only flier.

these have been acknowledged.  Many times.  By me, Laminar, and everyone else.  But when you and bogdan keep on hammering it in here, it gets boring very quickly.  What, exactly, is the response you are looking for when you keep posting negative comments about the clouds and anti aliasing, that hasn't been said already??

21 minutes ago, turbomax said:

But potential customers of xp12 have every right to know ahead of a purchase what lies ahead, since the pretty cloud screenshots and other xplane12 pictures disguise what they will encounter after the short demo period has expired, which is anything but enough to explore xplane12.sufficiently.

Of course they do.  Do you think posting the problems, more times than I can count, will do that?  What about the screenshots of X-Plane 12 that show it looking exceptional?  Do you think people don't deserve to see those?  The demo is there for people to test.  For free.  15 minute time limit, and reloadable as many times as they want.  

21 minutes ago, turbomax said:

we all know by now that clouds in both simulators can look fantastic, but also weird at other times and both need work. therefore it's a bit childish to post your MSFS volcano ashes pictures in a strictly non-MSFS xplane thread whenever it serves your purpose and to mitigate the xplane dark matter,

Kind of like what you have been doing, right?

 

I asked about the ash clouds in the appropriate forum.  The very first response was "Go back to X-Plane, troll!"

8 minutes ago, turbomax said:

we have thousands of complaints and critique the other sim in the other forum, but never with getting so personal and aggressive.

You're kidding, right?  I read those forums.  The insults and personal attacks are mind blowing.  

[GoranM 3,764]

7 hours ago, turbomax said:

this type of aggressive arrogance towards paying full price customers who came here for help or to express their disappointment with fundamental bugs is the reason we are having these discussions.

When you first came here for help, I, personally helped you, and your problem was resolved.  Then the cloud complaints started coming in.  Again, how many times do you want to read the same answer?  Report it to Laminar.  If you don't want to report it to Laminar, then they'll never know about it unless someone else reports it.  You've spent a lot of time making these posts in here, but it would take you a couple of minutes to file a bug report.  Repeatedly complaining about the same things won't get them fixed any sooner.  

The responses are not aggressive arrogance.  I'd say it's the other way around.  Screaming, constantly, in different threads, several times, about the same problem, makes the person making those posts, the aggressive, arrogant one.  Post it.  You'll get a response.  Move on.  Find something else?  Post it, you'll get a reply, move on.  Repeat whenever you find a new problem.  You'll be met with the same courtesy that you show.

Edited February 19, 2023 by GoranM

[MrBitstFlyer 3,875]

29 minutes ago, turbomax said:

sounds great, but only you wish. anything critical of xplane was countered by

... not anything, just the same critisicm stated over and over again - and there is only criticism, no positive at all!

[MrBitstFlyer 3,875]

31 minutes ago, turbomax said:

Nothing wrong with criticism." ok, then there is no need to retaliate each and every time, Mr. Goran et al

The retaliation comes from reading the same critiscms over and over again.  I challenge you to post why you use XPlane.

[turbomax 3,286]

Just now, MrBitstFlyer said:

why you use XPlane.

same reason why I use several other simulators as well. always on the lookout for improvement in this hobby. like many others who own more than 1 sim. I know guitar players who own more guitars than I own simulators.

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They tick the box for a beta and complain when they get a beta

We can complain about the stable release too, the differences are small.

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I would like the regular culprits to just once state why they like XPlane, just to get at least a little insight to their thoughts.

No, you only want to see positive comments because you're somehow invested in this platform. We're not (that much), when you don't see us complaining it means we're actually enjoying it. I've complained about other platforms and games too and I've never seen such religious attitudes.

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It really makes one wonder why so many people buy into a BETA process, then hate every minute of it. If you are too impatient to wait for a final release (which I'm sure would have tons of videos to view before hitting the "Buy Now" button) you should just enjoy what you have until so.. It's not a bad simulator by any stretch of the word and I've said it on many occasions, all software and sims alike, have their pluses and minuses. Just enjoy it, it's not real anyway! 🤠👍

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2 hours ago, bogdansrb said:

I'm guessing Goran posted an ash cloud pic from 'other sim' that looked quite a bit 'worse' than this one, and it got 'modded'?

I'm curious as to why this is happens to begin with. What is it about ray tracing 3D cloud volumes that leads to these wild contrast variations?

 

 

1 hour ago, bogdansrb said:

Nobody cares.

-1. -1 on all levels.

 

1 hour ago, turbomax said:

rather work with your xplane friends so they hurry and get that fixed. that will be the day these threads come to a stop.

The problem with this statement is that you are fully aware that this isn't how things work. I don't see you posting similar cloud criticisms about 'other sim'. Your rants should be over there. They're the ones with the resources to make it happen fast enough to satiate your thread threats.

[GoranM 3,764]

11 minutes ago, bogdansrb said:

I've complained about other platforms and games too

Links, please?  I’d very much like to see them. And the follow up responses. 

[bogdansrb 230]

12 minutes ago, GoranM said:

Links, please?  I’d very much like to see them. And the follow up responses. 

You wish...

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It really makes one wonder why so many people buy into a BETA process, then hate every minute of it

We're not specifically talking about the beta, these issues have been there since XP12 was released to the public, and they're still here regardless of the version, with minor improvements.

Edited February 19, 2023 by bogdansrb

[GoranM 3,764]

9 minutes ago, bogdansrb said:

You wish...

That’s what I thought. I already went through your AVSIM content. 

[OverTheEDJ 266]

10 hours ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

It puzzles me why you use XP12 when you hate it so much. Personally I wouldn't be using it, let alone post on a forum about it

You are puzzled because you made assumptions about me owning XP12. I have said many times on these forums that I am waiting to see if it is worth the upgrade. This is why I make the point about so many others (like me) not upgrading as well.

Keep up with the conversation.

LR development has always been stagnant, and this recent effort (to me) still falls short. So when I see a thread about the clouds that still don’t have reflections at night, I am a little underwhelmed…and thus do not feel the need to upgrade just yet.

10 hours ago, mSparks said:

not to interrupt your enthralling insight.

But 2019 was around the time most xplane conversation and 3PD updates moved to discord, and most people left were hooked on promises by microsoft.

If you aren't on discord and were mostly watching and waiting for other sims, chances are you missed pretty much everything that happened in the xplane universe and flight sim in general since then.

Not to interrupt your rewrite of history….2019 is where LR was giving lame presentations at the flight sim convention, and Austin was talking “far off” about code convergence and the unpredictable future.

No mention of these so called top secret XP12 plans that were “supposedly” in the works since the first week of XP11s release….that would barely make it out as a pre-release over the next 3 years in response to the competition…

In 2019…Austin was out of touch / disconnected from his users… and now, he is seemingly too far behind to warrant an immediate upgrade… LR must do more, sooner for me spend more money.

[mSparks 2,086]

4 minutes ago, OverTheEDJ said:

No mention of these so called top secret XP12 plans that were “supposedly” in the works since the first week of XP11s release….

You mean the:

Water and water physics engine 

Weather engine

Lighting engine

That are now light years ahead of any other sim/software available in 2023?

Or just that you haven't noticed yet how very very good they are?

 

[Pivot 153]

1 hour ago, bogdansrb said:

You wish...

We're not specifically talking about the beta, these issues have been there since XP12 was released to the public, and they're still here regardless of the version, with minor improvements.

Having been doing X-Plane for years now, I equate every version as a perpetual BETA until they move to a new version. Do they stop updating or attempting to cure issues? Not till they move on to something new. Don't buy it before they advertise a new version. Take XP-11, when it started it had its share of issues but it you bought it today you'd think, hmm not bad.. Too many people expect Gold from Aluminum Foil. If you bought it let it happen. It should get somewhere close to your expectations during its course. If not, suck it up, it's your fault for spending money on something you didn't like. I can't count how many programs I've bought, over the years, that got shelved within weeks. I sure as heck didn't blame the maker, it was my fault for buying it.