42 minutes ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

So I can say again - OMG the clouds

ever tried between 5:30 - 5:50 p.m. ? that's when I normally get those black nuclear bomb OMG like over a burning oil refinery clouds that would normally look fine the rest of the day, and otherwise just like some sort of harmless light haze.

Edited February 20, 20233 yr by turbomax

44 minutes ago, OverTheEDJ said:

Do your own research. “You” having not heard it does nothing to erase the fact that he has done so on multiple occasions.

You're the one making the accusation.  It's on you to provide the source.

3 hours ago, OverTheEDJ said:

Austin has a hard time getting his XP11 base to move to XP12, some 5 months after its initial availability.

This, right here, tells me you really don't have a clue.  Do you expect every single XP11 user to splash out money to buy XP12, on release day?  Or even within 5 months of release?  MSFS has been out over 2 years.  I tried it, and may return.  But I have no plans to at the moment.  Maybe people are happy with their add ons in XP11 that haven't been updated to XP12 yet.  Maybe people are having financial difficulties, and a flight sim is lower on their list of priorities than...living.  Maybe they want to wait another 5 months for more updates.  I know some people still using Windows 7.  Why haven't they upgraded to Windows 11?  I know developers who are still on older versions of MacOS.  The survey shows people STILL on FSX, P3D and even FS9.  Why haven't they upgraded to the latest?  

I've never seen such narrow minded thinking.  

1 hour ago, GoranM said:

You're the one making the accusation.  It's on you to provide the source.

Not so, I stated a fact. It's on you to either educate yourself, or remain oblivious to the fact.

1 hour ago, GoranM said:

This, right here, tells me you really don't have a clue.  Do you expect every single XP11 user to splash out money to buy XP12, on release day?  Or even within 5 months of release?  MSFS has been out over 2 years.  

Nope, that fact that XP12 has less users than XP11 (after 5 months) should give you a clue that the beta stage advancements are not selling well.

1 hour ago, GoranM said:

Maybe people are happy with their add ons in XP11 that haven't been updated to XP12 yet.  Maybe people are having financial difficulties, and a flight sim is lower on their list of priorities than...living.  Maybe they want to wait another 5 months for more updates.

The reality is that XP12 has already been put on sale, which shows that even LR are concerned about the lack of users.

1 hour ago, GoranM said:

 I know some people still using Windows 7.  Why haven't they upgraded to Windows 11?  I know developers who are still on older versions of MacOS.  The survey shows people STILL on FSX, P3D and even FS9.  Why haven't they upgraded to the latest?  

All irrelevant....

and a sim that has 10M users with some stragglers on previous platforms does not raise the same alarm as brand new sim (light years ahead of the competition) not being able to get more users than its predecessor 5 months into mix. Get a clue...

1 hour ago, GoranM said:

I've never seen such narrow minded thinking.  

Its hard for me to believe that you have never looked into a mirror your entire life. But I won't debate you over it. take care...

 

Edited February 20, 20233 yr by OverTheEDJ

I'm busy flying the sim that is light years ahead of the competition.

Have a great day.

Edited February 20, 20233 yr by GoranM

7 hours ago, OverTheEDJ said:

Do your own research. “You” having not heard it does nothing to erase the fact that he has done so on multiple occasions.

Thanks for having confirmed. That‘s what i thought; he didn‘t made any hate-comments.

So, I did my first long-haul with the new beta and I think there is overall an improvement on the cloud formations, even though I still see weird pyramids and some pretty bad artifacts.

 

On climb it looked like this:

 

While on landing...

 

Still a lot of work to do, but it is moving in the right direction, I would say.

7 hours ago, OverTheEDJ said:

and a sim that has 10M users with some stragglers on previous platforms does not raise the same alarm as brand new sim (light years ahead of the competition) not being able to get more users than its predecessor 5 months into mix. Get a clue...

ok, so we are back here...

lets try and not to get sucked down that road, the whole "10M users" thing has been massacred multiple times, but I suppose you missed those conversations as well.

XP12 is targeted at next gen hardware, 30+ series nvidia GPUs and 5700+ AMD gpus, there probably isnt even 10 million people that meet its recommended spec yet (and getting close to a majority of those who do today are running Linux on a steam deck....).

The way the clouds and weather are going are a great example of why that was the right choice for Laminar and people hooked on flightsim, XP11 is there for those on last gen hardware, and proven itself highly competitive vs the others, and still making new sales. XP12 is here now to raise the bar from kids sat screaming "omg this is amazing" for 5 minutes straight because that still wasnt good enough (XP11VR).

 

Edited February 20, 20233 yr by mSparks

9 hours ago, OverTheEDJ said:

You also can't say that many people are buying XP12 (including the majority of users still on XP11).

Do your own research. “You” having not heard it does nothing to erase the fact that he has done so on multiple occasions.

 

 

7 hours ago, OverTheEDJ said:

Not so, I stated a fact. It's on you to either educate yourself, or remain oblivious to the fact.

Are you by chance a flat earther? I claim that as a fact. I don't even need to prove it.

Why am I asking? I know this kind of argumentation from ... flat earthers. When asked for proof of their thesis, their answer is "Do your own research." No joke. They don't provide and also they don't need VERIFIABLE facts, but claim that their statements ARE facts. Nuff said ...

Edited February 20, 20233 yr by flying_carpet

2 minutes ago, flying_carpet said:

Are you by chance a flat earther?

..... /Me imaging the bug reports those guys are filing.....

I'mma gonna lobby LR to publish them.

Why don't we just use the Steam numbers to compare the popularity of sims? Yes, I believe it is true to say that most people using MSFS do it via Game Pass on PC/Xbox, but it should also be true that a majority of X-Plane 12 users (like myself) have purchased the sim directly from Laminar. 

The current numbers are not that good for XP12 imho:

X-Plane 11 is currently 3x more popular, but it also seem to be loosing users recently:

When MSFS was released, the P3D market almost completely evaporated in a few months, even though that meant that many add-ons would not be transferable.

Why this migration is not happening at a more accelerated pace within the XP ecosystem? I would have expected that XP12 would be more popular by now.

Edited February 20, 20233 yr by GCBraun

XP12 will converge towards the most widely used hardcore civil simmer base in the next couple years, unless something extraordinary comes out of LM... that's my true conviction after the experience gained during the last two years...

Numbers in Steam are highly biased.

OFC for the wider game market, other sims will continue to achieve picks of popularity, but hardcore simmers take XP12 or P3D, I believe...

Edited February 20, 20233 yr by cagarini

18 minutes ago, cagarini said:

but hardcore simmers take XP12 or P3D, I believe...

Where did you get that impression? The majority of Navigraph users are MSFS users. As a “hardcore simmer” I use MSFS, XP12 and DCS and each have their advantages/disadvantages. 

Edited February 20, 20233 yr by GCBraun

3 minutes ago, GCBraun said:

Where did you get that impression? The majority of Navigraph users are MSFS users. As a “hardcore simmer” I use MSFS, XP12 and DCS and each have their advantages/disadvantages. 

It's based only in my experience - I can't really enjoy MFS due to how much it is detached from the "feel of flight"... Scenery is not all about a flightsim...

With time and the evolution of Xp12 into a more complete and fine tuned platform, with good addons, I think more simmers will choose XP12 as their main platform... I can be very wrong OFC... 

1 hour ago, mSparks said:

..... /Me imaging the bug reports those guys are filing.....

I'mma gonna lobby LR to publish them.

E.g. that the moon in X-Plane is modeled as a sphere and not like in reality like a calzone. That's really a claim from a - tellingly 😜 Italian - flat earther. And he might be even right:

 

 

1 hour ago, GCBraun said:

Why don't we just use the Steam numbers to compare the popularity of sims? Yes, I believe it is true to say that most people using MSFS do it via Game Pass on PC/Xbox, but it should also be true that a majority of X-Plane 12 users (like myself) have purchased the sim directly from Laminar. 

The current numbers are not that good for XP12 imho:

X-Plane 11 is currently 3x more popular, but it also seem to be loosing users recently:

When MSFS was released, the P3D market almost completely evaporated in a few months, even though that meant that many add-ons would not be transferable.

Why this migration is not happening at a more accelerated pace within the XP ecosystem? I would have expected that XP12 would be more popular by now.

 

Oh no ... not this BS again ... The current numbers are not that good for Porsche imho compared to Toyota, Chevrolet and Ford: https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2022-us-vehicle-sales-figures-by-brand/ . I'm afraid, Porsche will die ... 😆