7 hours ago, Michael Moe said:

Thats what i use but it takes a hit on fps mostly noticing on approach and taxi to gate.

Michael Moe 

What is your hardware (video card and cpu)?  Also do you use DX11 or DX12?

On 3/12/2023 at 4:00 PM, Michael Moe said:

rendering the same panel twice seems to take a hit.

if they simply copy the primary panel graphics over to the 2nd panel there should be no major fps hit, mem copy is extremely fast. see my screenshot above: 110 fps with 2 pop out panels on a 2nd monitor. what you should never do though is to connect the 2nd monitor to the onboard GPU connector, those are really lame and should only be used for BIOS work when no other external GPU is inserted or is defective.

2 hours ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

It still does if you place them on a separate monitor. What's the point in pop outs on the same monitor that MSFS is running on? 

I see... well that sucks!

54 minutes ago, turbomax said:

Heureka! instead of using the dev mode internal fps counter or MSI Afterburner, I am now using Microsoft's very own Xbox game bar. It shows 110 fps with Frame Generation ON and 2 pop out panels on a separate monitor connected via DisplayPort on the same RTX 4090 as the main game display. what am I doing wrong that it does NOT cut my fps in half? 😀

I guess it's not surprising that Afterburner doesn't work now... even back in the day, it use to boost the displayed frame rates for each pop out you had so it seemed like you were getting tons of performance when it was actually killing your FPS.

The thing is, do you trust game bar?

Does it feel like you're getting 110FPS? or 55 real FPS? My LG OLED also shows the Hz for G-Sync... if your displays has that you can use that to verify/

What does game bar show without pop-outs?

Edited March 14, 20233 yr by Virtual-Chris

3 hours ago, Virtual-Chris said:

do you trust game bar?

don't have to trust, when I can verify with 3 separate counters by cross checking with Afterburner AND MSFS's dev mode built-in fps counter showing exactly half of the other two counters because it omits the FG "fake" frames, as was expected. this time without pop out panels:139 and 138 fps, dev mode counter 70 fps. now why do some people here complain about fps cut in half when I get 110 on a second monitor attached to displayport on the same RTX 4090 easily, all on an outdated i9900K CPU @ 4.7 GHz?

 

"t's not surprising that Afterburner doesn't work now" because they are not Microsoft, Microsoft knows a bit or 2 about Microsoft DirectX.

"What does game bar show without pop-outs? "

Xbox game bar 138, MSI Afterburner 139 and MSFS dev mode fps counter 70, which is expected behavior. That's why I would ask those with "fps-cut-in-half" problems: did they connect their 2nd monitor to the DisplayPort connector on their GPU?

Edited March 14, 20233 yr by turbomax

5 hours ago, turbomax said:

Heureka! instead of using the dev mode internal fps counter or MSI Afterburner, I am now using Microsoft's very own Xbox game bar. It shows 110 fps with Frame Generation ON and 2 pop out panels on a separate monitor connected via DisplayPort on the same RTX 4090 as the main game display. what am I doing wrong that it does NOT cut my fps in half? 😀

Do you put it on another monitor or the same monitor? 
 

The FPS cut could sometimes be because of different refresh rates on different monitors. If I remember well….
 

 

 

8 hours ago, turbomax said:

Heureka! instead of using the dev mode internal fps counter or MSI Afterburner, I am now using Microsoft's very own Xbox game bar. It shows 110 fps with Frame Generation ON and 2 pop out panels on a separate monitor connected via DisplayPort on the same RTX 4090 as the main game display. what am I doing wrong that it does NOT cut my fps in half? 😀

Hey mate,

Just to clarify, I'm looking at jumping down this path too  - are you using SpaceDesk and moving those pop out panels onto a Wireless monitor? I'd be looking at using a tablet and interested to see what the FPS hit might be....the one your seeing is reasonable..

1 hour ago, KL Oo said:

are you using SpaceDesk and moving those pop out panels onto a Wireless monitor?

negative Sir, and why would you when I am getting > 100 fps? As I described: 2nd monitor is connected to the Displayport connector of my main GPU, RTX 4090. all this @ 4K resolution. this 2nd monitor could be a touch screen capable with tablet formfactor though. I don't think SpaceDesk would offer the same high fps, but I will try that eventually.

"refresh rates on different monitors. If I remember well…."

yeah, I remember that vaguely, mine are both 60 Hz coincidentally.

Edited March 14, 20233 yr by turbomax

Hmmm interesting I wonder if it is because I had MSI running. I will try this again today using the CJ4 FMC without MSI running.

with MSI and pop out panels MSFS would crash immediately as depicted in screenshot above, that's why I am using Xbox game bar now instead.

8 hours ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

will try this again today using the CJ4 FMC without MSI running.

this time using NVidia experience fps counter: 98 and 104 fps, FG = ON, 2nd monitor connected via DisplayPort on same RTX 4090 as main TV monitor @ 4K 60 Hz, 1Kmonitor for pop out panels , both 60 Hz:

98 fps default CJ4:

 

104 fps default Baron:

Edited March 14, 20233 yr by turbomax

1 hour ago, turbomax said:

98 and 104 fps, FG = ON, 2nd monitor connected via DisplayPort on same RTX 4090 as main TV monitor @ 4K 60 Hz, 1Kmonitor for pop out panels , both 60 Hz:

98 fps default CJ4:

104 fps default Baron:

What FPS do you get with no pop outs?

Edited March 14, 20233 yr by Virtual-Chris

Hmmmm the problem I have is that when you click on to the second monitor, g-sync deactivates…

1 hour ago, Virtual-Chris said:

What FPS do you get with no pop outs?

ca. 10-20 fps less on average

today when I started my pc I also saw the "fps-cut-in-half" syndrome when I launched 1 or 2 pop out panels, no matter if on primary or secondary monitor. I don't remember having changed anything from my yesterdays setup except: the 2nd monitor was already connected when I turned the pc on, whereas yesterday I connected the 2nd monitor on the fly, only AFTER MSFS was already running. today I changed this procedure a couple of times to investigate, sometimes it made no difference, sometimes it did. tried warm boot and complete pc shut downs. not sure if the 4090 didn't 't sense the presence of the 2nd monitor reliably on initial boot or if FrameGeneration gets tricked when you connect the monitor only after MSFS is already running. it might be worthwhile for you to experiment with various scenarios. Now I am seeing again 60-100 fps reliably with FG = ON with 2 pop out panels on 2nd monitor. I am on MSFS beta, running DX12.

I wonder why you might want pop out panels for the 2 main glass panels in the first place, unless you are a cockpit builder? I can't use them as I am exclusively in VR. was positively impressed when I tried non VR 2D mode: 100-140 fps in and above the clouds in marginal MVFR conditions, general aviation environment, "super cool" to quote Jörg Neumann. I don't normally care for traffic tools or airline flying. mostly IFR or MVFR. with the IFR conditions around KHSP today it feels incredibly real and reminds me of my real landings there. airport elevation is 3.773', on a steep cliff like an aircraft carrier. that's why you often get cloud layers only 100-200 AGL. great for IFR training with no moving map, just the GNS 530 and wind gusts of 15-25 kts. need a FIKI airplane with windshield defrost.  😀

Edited March 14, 20233 yr by turbomax