ATC AddOn Recommendations

[tup61]

11 hours ago, Orphee01 said:

Hi,

 

in this update they add the VR support?

 

thanks 

No.

[Orphee01]

Ok thanks,

 

i take P2ATC!

[G-YMML1]

How good is FSHud vs P2ATC vectoring? Radar Contact has always been a top notch add-one in this category.

Edited May 8, 2023 by G-YMML1

[Noooch]

19 hours ago, tup61 said:

FSHud received an update today with a.o. improved voices. They have improved quite a lot! Really happy with it!

Is it a way to hear the voices? I didn't find any video on youtube

Some comments stated there is a lack of traffic when FSHud is active compared to FSLTL alone, is it your case?

Edited May 8, 2023 by Noooch

[tup61]

1 hour ago, Noooch said:

Is it a way to hear the voices? I didn't find any video on youtube

Some comments stated there is a lack of traffic when FSHud is active compared to FSLTL alone, is it your case?

No video online yet afaik.

And FSLTL received an update today and the release note says: "Improvements to FSHud data injection and support for upcoming FSHud versions". So here's hoping. 😉 I myself never used FSLTL on its own so I can't compare... It can be a bit quiet with FSHud and FSLTL but it also clearly depends on where you fly: I guess that goes for FSLTL alone too.

[tup61]

1 hour ago, G-YMML1 said:

How good is FSHud vs P2ATC vectoring? Radar Contact has always been a top notch add-one in this category.

I can't compare because I don't own P2ATC (nor RC). FSHud's vectoring is okayish, I suppose. It's getting better. Previous versions had new headings to fly every 10 seconds or so but that's not the case anymore. I have to admit I sometimes (or often) ignore the vectoring and simply fly the magenta route but whenever I do follow FSHu's vectoring (like when I see it let's me fly straight in instead of doing a teardrop approach) it gets me where I need to be. I really wouldn't know if it is really good or not because I can't compare...

[russianspd]

On 5/7/2023 at 10:49 AM, motishow said:

Pilot2atc is the absolute winner in all aspects and you have trial period to test it. In FSHud you have to buy it if you wanna test it ,may be bcs if you test it fisrt you probably won't buy it

How so? Pilot2ATC doesn't even recognize AI traffic. Most recent video I saw a user had to use MSFS ATC in the background just to get AI interaction while P2ATC only controlled them. Sounds like P2ATC is a user based solution but not an all inclusive solution like FSHud. The interface and the amount of "learning" required to setup and use P2ATC just from looking at their manuals is a nightmare. For a user solution, sure it works fine. But for someone who wants both user and AI interaction (everyone but you?) and a product that takes both sides into consideration, FSHud is the way to go. 

[russianspd]

On 5/8/2023 at 5:19 AM, G-YMML1 said:

How good is FSHud vs P2ATC vectoring? Radar Contact has always been a top notch add-one in this category.

Haven't used P2ATC but given that both products use FS based logic I'm sure it's relatively the same. But as I mentioned, vectors with FSHud also take into consideration the surrounding traffic. RC also took into consideration AI/surrounding traffic which is what made it so unique and more "realistic". I haven't followed up on the development of RC and haven't used it since WAY back so I have no idea how things are with it now. But as someone who has been looking for the most realistic solutions out there and virtually using every product in relation to AI/ATC, I can tell you from what I've seen, P2ATC falls short of that mark when you compare it to FSHud. 

[russianspd]

On 5/8/2023 at 5:20 AM, Noooch said:

Is it a way to hear the voices? I didn't find any video on youtube

Some comments stated there is a lack of traffic when FSHud is active compared to FSLTL alone, is it your case?

In some cases yes there may be a reduction in traffic from just FSLTL versus used in conjunction with FSHud. But like Tup61 said, FSLTL has made some changes to their injector and with anything, when one developer changes something the other has to also catch up. I can tell you that both FSHud and FSLTL are in communication with each other consistently. 

[petz_e]

FSHud doesn’t have a demo, has it? I’m not going to blindly buy it as I already own P2ATC. There also aren’t any videos that show how the app has improved with the latest beta. Lots of videos of the initial release version but nothing recent. Looks like most forgot about it or moved on, which doesn’t make me very confident. 

[Bobsk8]

3 hours ago, petz_e said:

FSHud doesn’t have a demo, has it? I’m not going to blindly buy it as I already own P2ATC. There also aren’t any videos that show how the app has improved with the latest beta. Lots of videos of the initial release version but nothing recent. Looks like most forgot about it or moved on, which doesn’t make me very confident. 

I might be interested in seeing what FShud is like, but I am not going to invest in a beta program. Once they finish it, put a video on Youtube so we can hear what the finish product sounds like, then I will decide if it is worth it or not. 

[tup61]

5 hours ago, petz_e said:

Looks like most forgot about it or moved on

Sure.

1 hour ago, Bobsk8 said:

I might be interested in seeing what FShud is like, but I am not going to invest in a beta program. Once they finish it, put a video on Youtube so we can hear what the finish product sounds like, then I will decide if it is worth it or not. 

Good plan. Although there's more to ATC than voices, I'd like to add! 😉 But yes, it's about time for a good and thorough video review so everyone can judge for themselves if FSHud is good or bad. (And btw I am a 100% sure that there will always be people who won't like FSHud, no matter what. Even the best products out here aren't loved by everyone. Like MSFS itself already LOL)

Hopefully the beta will be finished soon and video's will appear. The dev is adding and changing stuff all the time though so... I am not sure how long the beta phase will take...

In case someone likes to give it a try: Flight1 has a 30 day refund policy, so... there's your demo. 😉 The beta can be downloaded right from where you bought FSHud so everyone is free to participate.

[russianspd]

8 hours ago, petz_e said:

FSHud doesn’t have a demo, has it? I’m not going to blindly buy it as I already own P2ATC. There also aren’t any videos that show how the app has improved with the latest beta. Lots of videos of the initial release version but nothing recent. Looks like most forgot about it or moved on, which doesn’t make me very confident. 

No there is no trial. Of course there aren't any videos showcasing the beta features, why would you want to let other developers know what you're doing that they may or may have not done? That's silly. If you were working on improving something within an industry and had spent many hours working on it, would you freely showcase it to all the other competitors within the industry? Talk about protecting your intellectual property. As I said before, as someone seeking a realistic ATC program that interacts with not only myself but surrounding traffic, P2ATC would be at the bottom of the list or probably not even on that list since it doesn't do that. I'd even go back to the FS2004 version of Radar Contact if I had to before P2ATC if it somehow could work in MSFS2020. That doesn't build very much confidence with P2ATC. If you want realistic ATC procedures for yourself, great. But I doubt that's what the majority of the community wants. They don't want partial ATC interaction, they want the full experience and that includes everyone in the sky. 

[russianspd]

4 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

I might be interested in seeing what FShud is like, but I am not going to invest in a beta program. Once they finish it, put a video on Youtube so we can hear what the finish product sounds like, then I will decide if it is worth it or not. 

You do realize that FSHud is not JUST a beta? There's already a public version out. So it's two fold. You get to try out a program that in all sense of the term "realistic and immersive" to all air traffic is above P2ATC AND you get to partake in using the beta if you choose so and being apart of making it even better. But, if you prefer a more archaic way of interacting with ATC by yourself in a more up-to-date manner, enjoy!

[Bobsk8]

9 minutes ago, russianspd said:

You do realize that FSHud is not JUST a beta? There's already a public version out. So it's two fold. You get to try out a program that in all sense of the term "realistic and immersive" to all air traffic is above P2ATC AND you get to partake in using the beta if you choose so and being apart of making it even better. But, if you prefer a more archaic way of interacting with ATC by yourself in a more up-to-date manner, enjoy!

You are starting to sound allot like someone that started another thread on FS HUD a couple of weeks ago raving about how great it was.  Interesting marketing? Sounds like the same script.

 

Edited May 10, 2023 by Bobsk8