1 hour ago, abrams_tank said:

I think 737NG Driver said the Working Title 787 is already payware quality and he would spend 30 Euro to 50 Euro on it (I can't remember the exact amount, he mentioned it in his video, the video description, or the comments for the video).

I watched the video and can't remember him saying that. I'd also strongly disagree, considering the prices of the PMDG and Fenix and that this 787 has not (yet?) reached Aerosoft level in a couple of ways. Then again comparing it to the E-Jets at 30 Euro of course it makes much more sense...
Whatever it is, anybody can try at for free at the latest on 23rd of June with hopefully a lot of bugs fixed until then. Since I can't stand the A310 (the real aircraft, not the product) I might make this my go-to long hauler until the 777 arrives, let's see...

48 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

I watched the video and can't remember him saying that.

This is what he actually said at this timestamp: https://youtu.be/2uQj5d6bOvg?t=227

"If I am thinking 5 years back, similar level of systems fidelity could already be sold for 30 or 50 euros on the 3rd party market, and having something like this in the default simulator is absolutely and truly amazing ... I did have a little chat with the Working Title developers and indeed those 3rd party mods is something that they have absolutely in mind to enhance their aircraft afterwards ... they aim to provide a good base for 3rd party modders to provide more content"

Obviously can be interpreted in whatever way one wants, and can disagree with him, but it does show some of his insights and what MS/Asobo/WT are thinking.. and what he says about 3rd party freeware (or payware) modding to this 787 codebase might be the likely way we see more non-avionics systems fidelity. Like I said before, even if the likes of PMDG or others do get around to providing a higher fidelity 787, by the time that happens this AAU2 787 might've been improved further by both WT and 3rd party modders. We'll have to see.
 

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56 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

. Since I can't stand the A310 (the real aircraft, not the product) I might make this my go-to long hauler until the 777 arrives, let's see...

Just curious.  what's your gripe with the A310 in real life?

9 minutes ago, lwt1971 said:

This is what he actually said at this timestamp: https://youtu.be/2uQj5d6bOvg?t=227

"If I am thinking 5 years back, similar level of systems fidelity could already be sold for 30 or 50 euros on the 3rd party market, and having something like this in the default simulator is absolutely and truly amazing ... I did have a little chat with the Working Title developers and indeed those 3rd party mods is something that they have absolutely in mind to enhance their aircraft afterwards ... they aim to provide a good base for 3rd party modders to provide more content"

Obviously can be interpreted in whatever way one wants, and can disagree with him, but it does show some of his insights and what MS/Asobo/WT are thinking.. and what he says about 3rd party freeware (or payware) modding to this 787 codebase might be the likely way we see more non-avionics systems fidelity. Like I said before, even if the likes of PMDG or others do get around to providing a higher fidelity 787, by the time that happens this AAU2 787 might've been improved further by both WT and 3rd party modders. We'll have to see.
 

Well he said 5 years back, in P3D times. This is correct, but only because in P3D getting your hands on a PMDG 737 for 35 Euros was nothing but a dream. So he wasn't saying "it's worth up to 50 Euros in MSFS".

Just now, micstatic said:

Just curious.  what's your gripe with the A310 in real life?

Not real life in as real life, but rather the airplane instead of the product. In short: It's fugly and the cockpit is a strange and unsatisfying mixture of Boeing and Airbus, from the times before Airbus had their futuristic concept developed... I just have no fun flying it in MSFS, that's what I meant 🙂

2 hours ago, Ricardo41 said:

Evidence?

Maybe read the comment again? Just 1+1. 

1 hour ago, james42 said:

So, if the QW team really have disbanded, where does that leave anyone who still uses their products and requires support? Also, the 787 is still showing on the homepage of the Flight1 website. Surely Flight1 have a duty of care as the publisher? 

I don't think we should jump the gun to saying QW has "disbanded." We only know that some of their team that used to frequent their own forum, don't login to their forum anymore. And it appears that they have lowered the activity in their forums.

21 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

Not real life in as real life, but rather the airplane instead of the product. In short: It's fugly and the cockpit is a strange and unsatisfying mixture of Boeing and Airbus, from the times before Airbus had their futuristic concept developed... I just have no fun flying it in MSFS, that's what I meant 🙂

I can understand everybody has their own preferences.  To me the ugliest airbus is the A321.  I like the A310.  I also really enjoy flying airplanes from that generation.  More workload than todays "set it and forget it" planes.  But less than the generation before it.  

6 minutes ago, abrams_tank said:

I don't think we should jump the gun to saying QW has "disbanded." We only know that some of their team that used to frequent their own forum, don't login to their forum anymore. And it appears that they have lowered the activity in their forums.

I actually think it's reasonable to assume they have disbanded.  Nothing is showing to the contrary despite evidence suggesting it has happened.  Hopefully working title can give us a 787 that makes it a moot point.  

11 minutes ago, micstatic said:

I can understand everybody has their own preferences.  To me the ugliest airbus is the A321.  I like the A310.  I also really enjoy flying airplanes from that generation.  More workload than todays "set it and forget it" planes.  But less than the generation before it.  

I'm not against more workload, flying the A320 can become boring. For example I love flying the Maddog, so it's not that. It's just... I don't know, it feels like someone tried to transform a Boeing cockpit out of the 70s into an Airbus cockpit but stopped halfway through.

13 hours ago, bobcat999 said:

 

Meanwhile, who else would love a 737-200, 727, and 707 series?  Then there is the DC-8, DC-9, BAC 1-11 - the list goes on - Plenty still left to develop.

The DC-9 should be inbound. Leonardo had one in their Maddog release for p3d, and there's no reason I know of to think it won't show up again.  Meanwhile, the MD80 is pretty freaking close, and a stellar simulation.

9 hours ago, btacon said:

If that is the case, then why is QW two.five years late to the party without even having a costume to show?

-B

Hardcore "study level" (I know, I know) simmers might not bother upgrading from a WT to a QW 787 because the fidelity would be roughly similar. But if PMDG did it and you got all the abnormal operations/failures/etc? Yeah, they'd go for it.

9 hours ago, Ponymetzger said:

To be honest, we all know that PMDG will do a 787. With the displays of the Max, the 777 and 777-9x it's really easy to do for them and much more likely than a 757. 

While this would be great, they had lots of opportunity to do one for P3D and never did. If they ever do release one for MSFS, I'd imagine it'll be years down the road because they're gonna get the 777 and 747s out first.

 

so much promise good product , but that's life good luck to them and thanks for your work !

17 hours ago, eslader said:

The DC-9 should be inbound. Leonardo had one in their Maddog release for p3d

Unless I'm severely mistaken Leonardo never did a DC-9. There was a DC-9 for P3D and it was pretty deep (with failures and stuff), but I don't remember who did that. It was not very popular due to being rather ugly in visual terms.

To be honest with the WT 787 improvements now would be a good time for an update from QW to show the userbase they are still here and they are doing XYZ but the lack of any news and silence pretty much sums it up that I can't really see anything coming from them. 

27 minutes ago, Zangoose said:

To be honest with the WT 787 improvements now would be a good time for an update from QW to show the userbase they are still here and they are doing XYZ but the lack of any news and silence pretty much sums it up that I can't really see anything coming from them. 

Yes, this is the craziest part about QW's silence. When the Fenix A320 was released, that finally propelled FSLabs to open up about what they were doing and what FSLabs had down the pipeline for MSFS.

If QW actually had a 787 say, 70% or more completed, they should probably make a statement on the progress of it.  Because there will be some potential QW customers on the basic version of MSFS, who are considering upgrading to the the Premium Deluxe version of MSFS just to get the Working Title 787.  QW does not want these potential customers to upgrade to the Premium Deluxe version of MSFS, they want these customers to save their money for the QW 787.