I thought the crew announcements and complexity of the FSX BAE146 were great. Sad to see a (once) good developer close shop. 

A shame, the 787 was one of the birds i was waiting for.

And just like that QW is now Level D. 

It's Working Title all the way now for me.  That is as good as we are going to get I think, and it will be easily good enough for 99.5% of us the way they are going.
I don't think any third party developer will put the resources into a 787 once WT have done their job.

There is already a superb 787-8 freeware model over at flightsim.to, and I believe they might be able to use WT's improvements eventually.
If that same developer could do a stretch to the -9, we would have all the models and that would be great. 

Who would need QW after that?

The other developers should concentrate on something else now - an A350 would be good for a start.

Meanwhile, who else would love a 737-200, 727, and 707 series?  Then there is the DC-8, DC-9, BAC 1-11 - the list goes on - Plenty still left to develop.

Edited May 16, 20233 yr by bobcat999

3 hours ago, bobcat999 said:

It's Working Title all the way now for me.  That is as good as we are going to get I think, and it will be easily good enough for 99.5% of us the way they are going.
I don't think any third party developer will put the resources into a 787 once WT have done their job.

There is already a superb 787-8 freeware model over at flightsim.to, and I believe they might be able to use WT's improvements eventually.
If that same developer could do a stretch to the -9, we would have all the models and that would be great. 

Who would need QW after that?

The other developers should concentrate on something else now - an A350 would be good for a start.

Meanwhile, who else would love a 737-200, 727, and 707 series?  Then there is the DC-8, DC-9, BAC 1-11 - the list goes on - Plenty still left to develop.

You are seriously underestimating the hardcore sim community. The WT 787 will - in the best case - end up par with Aerosoft's level in regards to fidelity, which is not enough for most hardcore simmers IF a better alternative is available (see Aerosoft's A320 vs FSL A320, the latter sold extremely well even though the former was already established; or a more approriate xample: just look at the Fenix - it sold well even though there was a great A32NX available). Keep in mind I'm talking about hardcore simmers, not the MSFS user base per se. So a PMDG 787 would still be a great hit.

An A350 is not possible at the moment because data is still largely under undisclosed.
The older airplanes you mention do not have the same attraction to many users, so devs would rather create current aircraft (if possible). That's why personally I believe we might even see a PMDG's 787 before a 757.

 

23 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

You are seriously underestimating the hardcore sim community. The WT 787 will - in the best case - end up par with Aerosoft's level in regards to fidelity, which is not enough for most hardcore simmers IF a better alternative is available (see Aerosoft's A320 vs FSL A320, the latter sold extremely well even though the former was already established; or a more approriate xample: just look at the Fenix - it sold well even though there was a great A32NX available). Keep in mind I'm talking about hardcore simmers, not the MSFS user base per se. So a PMDG 787 would still be a great hit.

If that is the case, then why is QW two.five years late to the party without even having a costume to show?

-B

13 minutes ago, btacon said:

If that is the case, then why is QW two.five years late to the party without even having a costume to show?

-B

QW is dead.  

15 minutes ago, btacon said:

If that is the case, then why is QW two.five years late to the party without even having a costume to show?

It seems they just gave up. I do not mean that negatively in any way. It is a lot of work to research and code a high fidelity aircraft and then to commit to supporting it. For so many reasons they my have just decided not to take that step. 

I can say I would very much appreciate a high fidelity 787 in the sim. That means much more than accurate avionics. I want all of the systems individually simulated and their interaction with other systems simulated. I want a realistic flight model and a model that is fully animated -- not one in which not even the doors open!  I want all the variants. This is not what WT are doing so as great as the AA2 update will be it still will not peek my interest in the plane; I will wait for PMDG or another developer to bring out such a high fidelity product. But the 777 is starting to show its age and is being retired from more and more fleets, while the 787 is alive and well -- just saying. 

To be honest, we all know that PMDG will do a 787. With the displays of the Max, the 777 and 777-9x it's really easy to do for them and much more likely than a 757. 

Edited May 16, 20233 yr by Ponymetzger

Given the pace of development of the known players that could put out a higher fidelity 787, and given the open sourcing of the WT avionics frameworks as well as the fact that the premium versions of MSFS aircraft are no longer encrypted, it's certainly possible continued improvements by WT and/or freeware modders could improve the non-avionics aspects of the 787 to payware level fidelity by the time those payware devs do put out their own787 🙂

Edited May 16, 20233 yr by lwt1971

57 minutes ago, Ponymetzger said:

To be honest, we all know that PMDG will do a 787.

Evidence?

17 minutes ago, lwt1971 said:

Given the pace of development of the known players that could put out a higher fidelity 787, and given the open sourcing of the WT avionics frameworks as well as the fact that the premium versions of MSFS aircraft are no longer encrypted, it's certainly possible continued improvements by WT and/or freeware modders could improve the non-avionics aspects of the 787 to payware level fidelity by the time those payware devs do put out their  own787 🙂

I think 737NG Driver said the Working Title 787 is already payware quality and he would spend 30 Euro to 50 Euro on it (I can't remember the exact amount, he mentioned it in his video, the video description, or the comments for the video).

32 minutes ago, abrams_tank said:

I think 737NG Driver said the Working Title 787 is already payware quality and he would spend 30 Euro to 50 Euro on it (I can't remember the exact amount, he mentioned it in his video, the video description, or the comments for the video).

I think there may be a longer continuum of desire for fidelity than that reported comment suggests. I am not sure what his notion of "pay-ware quality" is but I think pay-ware and fidelity are not necessarily connected: the Captain Sim 767 and C130 are pay-ware but I do not think anyone would argue they are high fidelity. And in fairness I do not think pay-ware needs always to be tied to fidelity.

But I am far from convinced that the current 787 is at the high end of the continuum for fidelity? Are all the systems modeled and simulated according to known data? Do the systems appropriately interact? For example, does it have a modeled electrical system so if I pull a circuit breaker I can see the effect on the aircraft systems and operations? Is the fuel burn accurate according to weight and conditions? Is the RAT installed and operatable so I cut engines and deploy it to power the plane in a simulated critical emergency? Is the ground handling customized to be more realistic than what is available on default planes? Is the aircraft fully modeled and animated? Do the doors even open?  Does it have some degree of failure simulation? Are these things Working Title plans to incorporate? I don't think so from what I have read but I may have missed some statements. 

This is the kind of thing I am looking for in a high-fidelity aircraft; and I am willing to pay a considerable amount of money to obtain that, because I enjoy learning the systems of an aircraft and how they operate under normal and abnormal conditions. Not all aircraft have this -- even the PMDGs do not simulate working circuit breakers, and they are still great aircraft and I enjoy very much flying them in the simulator.  My point is only that there is a market for such richly modeled aircraft -- it is much smaller than the flight simulation market in general -- but there is good evidence that it is sizeable enough to make it worthwhile for a developer to invest in brining such an aircraft to market.

Edited May 16, 20233 yr by Cognita

22 hours ago, chapstick said:

Ernie Alston hasn't logged in since late February of this year. Not that bad, right? Well, Lars Roennig, who is apparently their "Vice President," hasn't logged in for a year. Corey Ford, who is supposedly the President and member of the dev team, hasn't logged on since January 2022. This isn't the best way to judge a dev team's progress, but it speaks volume. I for one think QualityWings is dead. Such an incredible amount of disrespect to their customers who bought their products and have been following them to not be clear and honest about the status of their team. 

Lars Roennig no longer with QW per his own Linkedin profile. Shows he left August 2019. He is now a electrical cabin systems engineer with Lufthansa Technik as of August 2019, same month he left QW. So yea, team more than likely disbanded and never did anyone the courtesy of announcing the closing. 

So, if the QW team really have disbanded, where does that leave anyone who still uses their products and requires support? Also, the 787 is still showing on the homepage of the Flight1 website. Surely Flight1 have a duty of care as the publisher? 

Edited May 16, 20233 yr by james42