I think the idea of creating this thread is so that the usual EFB-bemoaning suspects have a place of their own, and thereby save every other thread that happens to mention PMDG/RSR from being hijacked. Good idea, OP. Maybe the mods should sticky it.

33 minutes ago, Paul K said:

I think the idea of creating this thread is so that the usual EFB-bemoaning suspects have a place of their own, and thereby save every other thread that happens to mention PMDG/RSR from being hijacked. Good idea, OP. Maybe the mods should sticky it.

Everyone will still moan on other threads....

9 hours ago, Dillon said:

Correct but basic options like opening doors etc shouldn't be shoved into the FMC.  I'd take what the DC6 has like Aerosoft's CRJ tablet than nothing at all until the more robust option is released.  You can't have a so called 'Study Level' presentation then shove options like that into the FMC. 

This is hilarious.  Do you know how often airline pilots actually operate these doors in reality? I do it once a year during emergency equip drills.  Do you know how often we actually open cargo doors, operate beltloaders, stairs, jetways etc?  Zero times in a career.

How could it possibly matter where these options are included in a game?  There's zero realism involved in you doing them yourself no matter what.  It's not like a single aircraft exists where this stuff can be done from a tablet...

1 hour ago, Stearmandriver said:

This is hilarious.  Do you know how often airline pilots actually operate these doors in reality? I do it once a year during emergency equip drills.  Do you know how often we actually open cargo doors, operate beltloaders, stairs, jetways etc?  Zero times in a career.

How could it possibly matter where these options are included in a game?  There's zero realism involved in you doing them yourself no matter what.  It's not like a single aircraft exists where this stuff can be done from a tablet...

This is hilarious that you conveniently are not understanding what I meant here.  I was talking about FS features not real world features in the EFB.  Both can be had in an FS solution and it's far more user friendly than the FMC.  Seeing as other FS add-ons utilize the tablet in this fashion this is basically a standard in the confines of FS for easy access to features of the add-on aircraft.  From the aircraft feature page (unique to FS not real world) real world usage comes into play in the EFB with dedicated pages/tabs for Navigraph charts, import of routes from Simbrief, fuel calculations, etc.   I hope this is making since now...😳 

Edited June 9, 20232 yr by Dillon

8 minutes ago, Dillon said:

This is hilarious as you conveniently are not understanding what I meant here.  I was talking about FS features not real world features in the EFB.  Both can be had in an FS solution and it's far more user friendly than the FMC.  Seeing as other FS add-ons utilize the tablet in this fashion this is basically a standard in the confines of FS for easy access to features of the add-on aircraft.  From the aircraft feature page (unique to FS not real world) real world usage comes into play for the EFB like Navigraph charts, import of routes from Simbrief, fuel calculations, etc.   I hope this is making since now...😳 

Nope, no sense at all.

You're claiming one menu-driven system has some sort of inherent, objective advantage over another menu driven system.

We're talking about the same number of mouse clicks on a computer screen either way, aren't we?

No excuses now. 

PMDG really struggles when they can’t copy code from 10years ago but have to write new code. We are nearing the 1 year anniversary of the mighty EFB announcement. 

15 hours ago, KL Oo said:

Thanks for keeping us up to date Bruce. 

 

Whilst its wonderful you exercised such initiative and created a dedicated space for people to discuss something that's been discussed endlessly elsewhere on AVSIM, why not just refer people here : https://forum.pmdg.com/

 

 

I did it because every.single.update related to PMDG on here instantly transforms into "why don't we have the EFB yet" and the constant complaining.

Personally, I love PMDG products and have for a very long time. The 737 series and DC-6 I have loved since release on this sim and fly them often. EFB would be handy to glance at charts while flying (I use head tracking) and I find that helpful and immersive. Not really a big deal having a second monitor and Navigraph charts and Pilot2ATC.

I have no need to complain to PMDG because I really have nothing to complain about. They are pretty helpful, really.

Seriously. I thought this would be better for anyone to discuss it here instead of high jacking every single pmdg topic on here. If you read every PMDG-related topic on here in the last 6+ months most of them transform into a complainer's dream of negativity. If you mention the toxicity, they throw right back at you.

Edited June 9, 20232 yr by Sonosusto

15 hours ago, Dillon said:

I did...😐

I'll bring it out the hanger when the EFB is completed.  No airliner flying today have pilots in the cockpit without one.

I think the 737 series are excellent even without them. But seeing how you use these as a pilot I see your point.

Though I do have a second monitor with a bunch of stuff running on it for that reason. Navigraph and its charts, Pilot2ATC for offline use, manuals, traffic programs and sometimes cartoons for the toddler to watch as I am landing (she likes to help me land but we all know how that works with kids).

1 hour ago, Stearmandriver said:

Nope, no sense at all.

You're claiming one menu-driven system has some sort of inherent, objective advantage over another menu driven system.

We're talking about the same number of mouse clicks on a computer screen either way, aren't we?

If you can't see the difference/advantages of using an EFB/tablet versus an FMC when brining in things like charts from Navigraph or fuel/load calculations there's nothing else to discuss here.

For the rest of us think of Fenix's EFB for the aforementioned features versus trying to do everything in the MDCU.🍺

Edited June 9, 20232 yr by Dillon

3 minutes ago, Dillon said:

If you can't see the difference/advantages of using an EFB/tablet versus an FMC when brining in things like charts from Navigraph or fuel/load calculations there's nothing else to discuss here.

For the rest of us think of Fenix's EFB for the aforementioned features versus trying to do everything in the MDCU.🍺

Just wondering, have you ever flown anything in real life?

31 minutes ago, Sonosusto said:

I did it because every.single.update related to PMDG on here instantly transforms into "why don't we have the EFB yet" and the constant complaining.

and that will still be the case and you know it so pointless starting a new thread. If you don't like it scroll on by simple really.

Edited June 9, 20232 yr by carlanthony24

Just now, carlanthony24 said:

and that will still be the case and you know it so pointless starting a new thread.

Thank you for the feedback.

27 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

Just wondering, have you ever flown anything in real life?

Where do you want to start C172 or F/A-18 LOT B's for VAQ-34.  To be honest I only had the controls for a part of the flights I flew over the Red Flag area in our squadron's F/A-18's as I had to qualify for back seat rides. The B's were two seaters for this aggressor squadron.  VAQ-34 started out a Point Magu but ended up at Lemoore CA in the farthest hanger.  A friend of mine was the female pilot who landed the Southwest Airlines flight at KPHL after the blown engine.  VAQ-34 was the first squadron to allow women fighter pilots in a somewhat combat capacity.  I ended up in VFA-94 on CVN-72 just in time to help with the recovery effort in Samalia (if you don't know go see the movie Black Hawk Down).  Speaking of airliners when I was in MN and Northwest was still a thing they had a training facility in Eagan that contained Level-D simulators of their 7474's, 757's, A319/320's, and DC9's.  I flew all of them when given the chance.  The out the window view left allot to be desired by today's standards but it was fun just the same.  I've been GA flying since I was young starting with glider flying.  I have nothing to prove but this is a little history of my flying experience.  My son just got his IFR out of KISM.  He's going to fly me down to Vero Beach's airport restaurant for Fathers Day.

What's your aviation history?

Edited June 9, 20232 yr by Dillon