July 19, 20232 yr Hey guys and gals, I am very disappointed at few negatoilets who are bashing @Damian Clark and even Chaseplane for making products for P3Dv6. Honest criticism is fine and good, but bashing people on their prices is dumb. First of all, if you are bashing someone on pricing, then chances are that you have never been an entrepreneur, or even owned a company. I have a SMB, and I get agitated when someone ask about medical fees. The time and resources that these guys have spent is a lot, on top they have to come in here and get bashed up on few dollars. What you pay gets you Support. You are paying for support also. If you can't afford few dollars of software, then you should look at all other sims, we have X-plane, MSFS2020, FSX, Aerowinx, Aerofly2, mobile etc. There are other hobbies you know (all of them are expensive than flightsim, lol...just go on dates, that gets expensive) I am grateful that few devs are making a product for v6 and look forward to their success and innovation. For all the devs just F$$$ the negatoilets. I am losing interest coming on Avsim due to numerous posts by negatoilets; and Tom did a lot to make this website a key resource to flight simulation industry. Be kind, grateful and have fun. Edited July 19, 20232 yr by Skywolf How I Evaluate Third Party Sim Addon Developers Refined P3Dv5.0 HF2 Settings Part1 (has MaddogX) and older thread Part 2 (has PMDG 747)
July 20, 20232 yr Agree, It's like the same people who think they are entitled to free upgrades of an add-on for the next version of a simulator forever! Pete Richards I've owned every version of flight simulator since Flight Simulator 3.0 in 1988. Windows 11 Pro loaded on a 4TB Gen5 Crucial T700 SSD, 4TB Samsung 990 Pro SSD, Ryzen 9 7950x3d, AS Rock X670e Taichi Motherboard, Gigabyte Gaming RTX 4090 OC 24GB, 64GB (2x32GB) Viper Venom DDR5-6000MT/s, MSI 32" MAG 321UPX QD-OLED 260hz 4K Gaming Monitor.
July 20, 20232 yr The only reason I would even consider V6 is because these guys have made Chaseplane and Active Sky available. If it means purchasing again so be it, every one has to make a living and the products in my view are worth it. PS - I not complaining about my Navigraph subscription either, if that keeps the developers in business and supporting the different sims then that is good for everyone. Edited July 20, 20232 yr by CW46 additional comment Gary Stewart
July 20, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, Skywolf said: Hey guys and gals, I am very disappointed at few negatoilets who are bashing @Damian Clark and even Chaseplane for making products for P3Dv6. Honest criticism is fine and good, but bashing people on their prices is dumb. First of all, if you are bashing someone on pricing, then chances are that you have never been an entrepreneur, or even owned a company. I have a SMB, and I get agitated when someone ask about medical fees. The time and resources that these guys have spent is a lot, on top they have to come in here and get bashed up on few dollars. What you pay gets you Support. You are paying for support also. If you can't afford few dollars of software, then you should look at all other sims, we have X-plane, MSFS2020, FSX, Aerowinx, Aerofly2, mobile etc. There are other hobbies you know (all of them are expensive than flightsim, lol...just go on dates, that gets expensive) I am grateful that few devs are making a product for v6 and look forward to their success and innovation. For all the devs just F$$$ the negatoilets. I am losing interest coming on Avsim due to numerous posts by negatoilets; and Tom did a lot to make this website a key resource to flight simulation industry. Be kind, grateful and have fun. Agreed. Not sure what the problem is regarding the CP price. It’s a half tank of gas in my four cylinder truck, or, eight small bags of Frito Lay Scoops chips. Both of which are consumed quickly. CP lasts much longer.
July 20, 20232 yr 15 hours ago, Skywolf said: Hey guys and gals, I am very disappointed at few negatoilets who are bashing @Damian Clark and even Chaseplane for making products for P3Dv6. Honest criticism is fine and good, but bashing people on their prices is dumb. First of all, if you are bashing someone on pricing, then chances are that you have never been an entrepreneur, or even owned a company. I have a SMB, and I get agitated when someone ask about medical fees. The time and resources that these guys have spent is a lot, on top they have to come in here and get bashed up on few dollars. What you pay gets you Support. You are paying for support also. If you can't afford few dollars of software, then you should look at all other sims, we have X-plane, MSFS2020, FSX, Aerowinx, Aerofly2, mobile etc. There are other hobbies you know (all of them are expensive than flightsim, lol...just go on dates, that gets expensive) I am grateful that few devs are making a product for v6 and look forward to their success and innovation. For all the devs just F$$$ the negatoilets. I am losing interest coming on Avsim due to numerous posts by negatoilets; and Tom did a lot to make this website a key resource to flight simulation industry. Be kind, grateful and have fun. Agreed. I'm grategul that they spend their time developing add ons we can use Francisco Aguiar
July 20, 20232 yr Agreed to all the above. One thing to keep in mind is that many of these vendors have provided free updates for years. I see no reason for them not to charge a reasonable (in my mind) price at this time. Dave Wadsworth i9 13900K 5.5Ghz 64G DDR6000 nVidia 4090 Win 11 22H2 Pro P3DV5.4 ASP/ASCA Pilot2ATC FS2Crew/TIR5/CP
July 20, 20232 yr Maybe same people who moaned they were not going to move products to V6 and would instead focus on MSFS
July 20, 20232 yr 21 hours ago, Skywolf said: I am very disappointed at few negatoilets who are bashing What is a "negatoilet? Never heard this bizarre term. I hope that it is not an insult. You portray yourself as a virtuous and kind person, so I simply cannot believe that you would insult others who may not agree with your views. Dave Edited July 20, 20232 yr by dave2013 Simulator: P3Dv6.1 System Specs: Intel i7 13700K CPU, MSI Mag Z790 Tomahawk Motherboard, 32GB DDR5 6000MHz RAM, Nvidia GeForce RTX 4070 Video Card, 3x 1TB Samsung 980 Pro M.2 2280 SSDs, Windows 11 Home OS My website for P3D stuff: https://sites.google.com/view/thep3dfiles/home
July 20, 20232 yr Author 1 minute ago, dave2013 said: What is a "negatoilet? Never heard this bizarre term. I hope that it is not an insult. You portray yourself as a virtuous and kind person, so I simply cannot believe that you would insult others who may not agree with your views. Dave Negative attitude person Urban Dictionary: negatoilets Some of these negative posters are thrashing devs and pushing the envelope. As an entrepreneur, I was disappointed by this, excessive negative action isn't healthy for anyone. You can see even Hifi's Damian posting his last post etc (I hope he comes back to avsim). Constructive feedback is good but going on and on on a negative tangent just makes the other person leave. Avsim used to be so positive, what gives these days. It is this website which really got me into the hobby. We have lot of great people on here who are helpful, I don't want them to leave in disgust/disappointment. How I Evaluate Third Party Sim Addon Developers Refined P3Dv5.0 HF2 Settings Part1 (has MaddogX) and older thread Part 2 (has PMDG 747)
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