SU 13 & DX12?

[FBW737 518]

I'd love to see someone with a 4000 card and Samsung TV with Frame interpolation try FG and Frame interpolation simultaneously. That would be hilarious, especially if it worked! 🤣

[Fielder 3,730]

DLSS 2 does not require 4000 series.

DLSS 3.5 (A.I. enhanced ray tracing)  does not require 4000 series.

DLSS 3 (FG) does require 4000 series. But I see above there are reports of "hacks" to get around that.

DLSS 3 (Frame Generation) doubles fps by inserting an artificial frame between each proper frame. Which is smoother and more stutter free than if FG is off. But the artificial frames slightly degrade the image. I notice the smoothness with FG on. I don't notice the degraded image with FG on, but am told it is there.

[Noel 4,563]

1 hour ago, Fielder said:

DLSS 2 does not require 4000 series.

DLSS 3.5 (A.I. enhanced ray tracing)  does not require 4000 series.

DLSS 3 (FG) does require 4000 series. But I see above there are reports of "hacks" to get around that.

DLSS 3 (Frame Generation) doubles fps by inserting an artificial frame between each proper frame. Which is smoother and more stutter free than if FG is off. But the artificial frames slightly degrade the image. I notice the smoothness with FG on. I don't notice the degraded image with FG on, but am told it is there.

Fielder, I would love to see a FTV capture using CapFrameX when you are using FG.  If you're not familiar it's freeware and delivers objective analysis of actual frame time variance and stuttering as well.  After install, pick a heavy plane (pmdg/fenix/fbw 320N) take off out of a modest to complex airport of your choosing.  Simply hit F11 key ("Capture Started", she says) and F11 again to end the capture.  I always do this for example from after pushback, to half way to Cruise altitude.  My benchmarks are done Ultra, 8x8, 16x, TSA and even DSR factors 4.00x for ultra crisp IQ.  Be sure to do the capture when you feel you're getting very smooth performance.

Thanks in advance

[Fielder 3,730]

Noel, perhaps someone more familiar with and interest in FTV captures(?) will do what you ask. I just go by what I see in the sim and videos and opinions from youtube videos.

[Tork_Curve 27]

6 hours ago, Ixoye said:

Probably, are new games still being made in DX11 today?

Lots of them. It will be around for some time...

[Fielder 3,730]

I'm not accurate when I said FG will double frame rates. If you are in DLSS it will double frame rates. If you are in TAA then it will "not" double frame rates.

Example, absolute numbers mean little for anyone else, but the relative numbers will more or less hold.

On KJFK default runway with my usual settings except for these changes only:

TAA FG off..................... 27 FPS

TAA FG on......................39 FPS

DLSS QUALITY FG off....54 FPS

DLSS QUALITY FG ON..102 FPS

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102 is about double 54. But 39 is not double 27.

FG helps for TAA fans. But helps a lot more for DLSS fans.

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TAA gives a little sharper, clearer instuments.

 

[Ixoye 1,837]

8 hours ago, Fielder said:

I'm not accurate when I said FG will double frame rates. If you are in DLSS it will double frame rates. If you are in TAA then it will "not" double frame rates.

Example, absolute numbers mean little for anyone else, but the relative numbers will more or less hold.

On KJFK default runway with my usual settings except for these changes only:

TAA FG off..................... 27 FPS

TAA FG on......................39 FPS

DLSS QUALITY FG off....54 FPS

DLSS QUALITY FG ON..102 FPS

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102 is about double 54. But 39 is not double 27.

FG helps for TAA fans. But helps a lot more for DLSS fans.

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TAA gives a little sharper, clearer instuments.

 

I get double framerate no matter which filtering I choose, I checked the difference by having Devoleper mode up the same time I had Steam fps counter running, and it was exact double all the time.

 

Edited October 1, 2023 by Ixoye

[Ianrivaldosmith 5,317]

1 minute ago, Ixoye said:

I get double the framerate no matter what filtering I choose.

Same

[bobcat999 8,503]

As some have said, FG should deliver exactly double the framerate, or something isn't working or being tested properly somewhere.  I can't see any way it could deliver less, as it inserts a generated frame between each and every 'normal' frame.

As for artifacts, if you are on say 30 FPS doubled to 60, it depends how fast you pan your head.  I use a Tobii head tracker, and if I look around quickly, I can see artifacts at the edge of the screen, normally small black streaks coming from window frames etc.
I have just learned to turn my head a bit slower rather than swishing it about.

Edited October 1, 2023 by bobcat999

[Phantoms 800]

4 hours ago, bobcat999 said:

As some have said, FG should deliver exactly double the framerate, or something isn't working or being tested properly somewhere.

That doesn't seem to be the case if you believe this article - https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/enable-frame-generation-windows-10

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n our non-scientific test (our GPU Editor Jarred Waltonhas all the in-depth technical data on the RTX 4070) we went from 45fps to 75fps with frame generation, an impressive boost given the mid-range spec of our build.

That's not a doubling but it's not bad either.

[Phantoms 800]

BTW, that article also points out that by Windows 10 users have Hardware-accelerated GPU scheduling turned off as default while Win11 has it on by default.

[pilotter 269]

AMD fluid motion frame is out no more need for an over expensive card ( for most ). People are already running MSFS with out. It will work in DX11. It still has some hick ups, and it's a beta but on it's way even for Nvidia cards

Edited October 1, 2023 by pilotter

[Fielder 3,730]

2 days ago:

 

" DISCLAIMERS AND FOOTNOTES

1. AMD HYPR-RX works on the AMD Radeon RX 7000 Series GPUs and newer or the Ryzen 7040 Series APUs with integrated RDNA 3 graphics and newer. AMD HYPR-RX allows various features within AMD Software interoperate, working at the same time, including Radeon Super Resolution, FidelityFX Super Resolution, Radeon Anti-Lag, Radeon Anti-Lag+, and Radeon Boost, where applicable to select titles. GD-225A.
2. AMD Fluid Motion Frames interpolation technology when used with AMD FidelityFX Super Resolution (FSR) 3 inserts 1 frame between existing ones which can therefore enable up to 2x the framerate in supported games. GD-231 "

https://community.amd.com/t5/gaming/amd-fluid-motion-frames-is-out-now-on-amd-radeon-rx-7000-series/ba-p/634372

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Since every person on Earth is mainly concerned with Starfield.... after about 3:50 you can see fps doubled with AFMF on, the right hand fps vs. the left.

 

 

[cianpars 1,179]

4 hours ago, Phantoms said:

BTW, that article also points out that by Windows 10 users have Hardware-accelerated GPU scheduling turned off as default while Win11 has it on by default.

What is the logic behind that as I have W11 and HAGS off.  TBH, I don't recall noticing any difference in W10 or W11 having HAGS on or off from recollection.

[fakeflyer737 1,012]

11 hours ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

Same

Me too. That’s why FG is the best. It’s smooth as silk as well. Best investment I’ve made in flight sim hardware in years.