January 17, 20242 yr PG cities are sceneries on your computer, not on the servers, as far as I know. They are part of the base sim content, or world updates content. As a matter of fact, it was recommended (in the community, not by Asobo) to uninstall the PG cities from the content manager to help with the scenery loading smoothness in flight, wasn't it ? So servers and / or internet provider have most likely nothing to do with melted buildings.
January 17, 20242 yr 1 minute ago, Daube said: PG cities are sceneries on your computer, not on the servers, as far as I know. They are part of the base sim content, or world updates content. As a matter of fact, it was recommended (in the community, not by Asobo) to uninstall the PG cities from the content manager to help with the scenery loading smoothness in flight, wasn't it ? So servers and / or internet provider have most likely nothing to do with melted buildings. why then the sim should warn you that your bandwidth is not up to it ? Dominique Simming since 1981 - [email protected] GHz with 16 GB of RAM and a 1080 with 8 GB VRAM running a 27" @ 2560*1440 - Windows 10 - Warthog HOTAS - MFG pedals - MSFS Standard version with Steam
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January 17, 20242 yr 14 minutes ago, Daube said: It's a very good question but I really have no idea 😕 I suspect that a combination of a 3PD air traffic, nicely modeled Heathrow and LC airports, GAIST and an airliner à la PMDG is a bit heavy to swallow for the computer and coupled with a poor connection kills the PG. I have none of this and get a reasonably good rendering. Now all PG sceneries are not alike. I have seen poor results in Italy where only the modeling was I think the reason of melted roofs. Dominique Simming since 1981 - [email protected] GHz with 16 GB of RAM and a 1080 with 8 GB VRAM running a 27" @ 2560*1440 - Windows 10 - Warthog HOTAS - MFG pedals - MSFS Standard version with Steam
January 17, 20242 yr Commercial Member 23 minutes ago, Daube said: It's a very good question but I really have no idea 😕 Because most of the data is not installed but actually streamed. In Mark's post on the previous page TB's of data are mentioned.
January 17, 20242 yr 55 minutes ago, Daube said: PG cities are sceneries on your computer, not on the servers, as far as I know. They are part of the base sim content, or world updates content. As a matter of fact, it was recommended (in the community, not by Asobo) to uninstall the PG cities from the content manager to help with the scenery loading smoothness in flight, wasn't it ? So servers and / or internet provider have most likely nothing to do with melted buildings. Wrong. Read this: https://flightsimulator.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/4755172779548-How-to-fix-poor-photogrammetry Most of the article is all about connection data, cache and other network related stuff. "Streaming Photogrammetry requires downloading large amounts of data regularly." PG streams MORE data than non-PG scenery. I have PG turned off since day one (or two 😉 ) and never look back (well, I did 'look back' a few times but I simply can't stand PG. Awful stuff.)
January 17, 20242 yr 1 hour ago, SierraHotel said: London for MSFS (and it's Free) https://flightsim.to/file/3776/london-city It looks nice, but it appears to be abandonware. To minimise the chances of incompatibilities, performance drops and/or CTDs, I strongly suggest not installing/removing any installed add-ons that have gone 6 (certainly 12) months without an update. The Sim Updates change the base sim too much to rely on outdated mods working as well as they were originally designed or even at all. AMD Ryzen 5800X3D; MSI RTX 3080 Ti ; 32GB Corsair 3200 MHz; ASUS VG35VQ 35" (3440 x 1440) Fulcrum One yoke; Thrustmaster TCA Captain Pack Airbus edition; MFG Crosswind rudder pedals; miniCockpit FCU; CPFlight MCP 737; Logitech FIP x3; TrackIR MSFS; Fenix A320; A2A PA-24; HPG H145; PMDG 737-600; AIG; RealTraffic; PSXTraffic; FSiPanel; REX AccuSeason Adv; FSDT GSX Pro; FS2Crew RAAS Pro; FS-ATC Chatter
January 17, 20242 yr 28 minutes ago, tup61 said: Wrong. Read this: https://flightsimulator.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/4755172779548-How-to-fix-poor-photogrammetry Most of the article is all about connection data, cache and other network related stuff. "Streaming Photogrammetry requires downloading large amounts of data regularly." PG streams MORE data than non-PG scenery. I have PG turned off since day one (or two 😉 ) and never look back (well, I did 'look back' a few times but I simply can't stand PG. Awful stuff.) Ok that makes sense, thanks. I have PG disabled as well, despite having a nice internet connection. It's more the performance that's problematic on my old computer 😄 While the building shapes are indeed awful most of the times, I do enjoy the general rendering of the PG cities from a distance. Mostly thanks to better/richer colors, somehow. Autogen looks better in details when we get close, but PG looks better overall (as long as we don't zoom or get too close 😄 ).
January 17, 20242 yr 1 minute ago, Daube said: but PG looks better overall (as long as we don't zoom or get too close this ^^ Dominique Simming since 1981 - [email protected] GHz with 16 GB of RAM and a 1080 with 8 GB VRAM running a 27" @ 2560*1440 - Windows 10 - Warthog HOTAS - MFG pedals - MSFS Standard version with Steam
January 17, 20242 yr Moderator 11 hours ago, Dillon said: Glade most of the world doesn't look this way. The popularity of FS would be a 180 from what it is today. Asobo has to address this with 2024, I've lost hope much improvement will happen for 2020 at this point. If I was a simmer from the London area I guess I'd be on XP12. What's crazy is a big chunk of the FS market is in Europe, you'd think they'd take care of one of their core audiences. The photogrammetry data they licensed wasn't particularly good (Bluesky I think), hence they didn't have much to go off to start with, but it looks very much like you have a connection problem, as even on my relatively slow internet it at least looks way better than this. Photogrammetry has always been hit & miss for me, sometimes it looks great, other times blocky and not great.
January 17, 20242 yr I do find that PG looks its worst in the evenings (likely during times of heavier internet traffic) so I may have to bite the bullet and pay for a high tier of internet to see if it makes a difference. Although my internet currently is advertised as having “350 Mbps download” speeds so that should be good enough on paper at least. Next tier is 940Mbps. Dave Current System (Running at 4k): ASUS ROG STRIX X670E-F, Ryzen 7800X3D, RTX 5090, 55" Samsung Q80T, 64GB DDR5 6000 RAM, EVGA CLC 280mm AIO Cooler, Brunner CLS-E NG Yoke, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS & Stick, Thrustmaster TCA Quadrant & Add-on, VirtualFly Ruddo+, TQ6+ and Yoko+, GoFlight MCP-PRO and EFIS, Skalarki FCU and MCDU
January 17, 20242 yr 3 hours ago, Dominique_K said: why then the sim should warn you that your bandwidth is not up to it ? Yes, the quality of the photogrammetry is obviously linked to internet bandwidth. When flying with photogrammetry (not often) I can sometimes see the scenery buildings filling-in right in front of my eyes when my internet connection is slow. I tend to fly with photogrammetry off as I prefer the consistency and smoothness (my connection is not always the best). I find the auto generated buildings mixed with some of the scenery packs is quite acceptable. I think some people are reluctant to try without photogrammetry because they get this confused with the Bing map imagery, which they want to keep, as it is a big part of the look of MSFS. But obviously, they are separate things. Good to see you back! Edited January 17, 20242 yr by bobcat999 Rob (but call me Bob or Rob, I don't mind). I like to trick airline passengers into thinking I have my own swimming pool in my back yard by painting a large blue rectangle on my patio. Intel 14900K in a Z790 motherboard with water cooling, RTX 4080, 32 GB 6000 CL30 DDR5 RAM, W11 and MSFS on Samsung 980 Pro NVME SSD's. Core Isolation Off, Game Mode Off.
January 17, 20242 yr Here I do not use a cache. Fast IN connection. Anyone tried downloading London manually into the cache to see if it made any difference ? 5950x3d 5.4-5.7 GHz - Asus ROG 870 Crosshair Apex - GSkill Neo 2x 24 Gb 6000 mhz / cas 26 - MSI RTX 5090 Gaming Trio OC - 1x SSD M2 6000 2TB - 1x SSD M2 2800/1800 1Tb - Corsair 5400 case - Corsair 360 liquid cooling set - 3x 75’ TCL tv. 13600 6 cores @ 5.1 GHz / 8 cores @ 4.0 GHz (hypterthreading on) - Asus ROG Strix Gaming D - GSkill Trident 4x Gb 3200 MHz cas 15 - Asus TUF RTX 4080 16 Gb - 1x SSD M2 2800/1800 2TB - 2x Sata 600 SSD 500 Mb - Corsair D4000 Airflow case - NXT Krajen Z63 AIO liquide cooling - FOV : 200 degrees My flightsim vids : https://www.youtube.com/user/fswidesim/videos?shelf_id=0&sort=dd&view=0
January 17, 20242 yr 18 minutes ago, regis9 said: I do find that PG looks its worst in the evenings (likely during times of heavier internet traffic) so I may have to bite the bullet and pay for a high tier of internet to see if it makes a difference. Although my internet currently is advertised as having “350 Mbps download” speeds so that should be good enough on paper at least. Next tier is 940Mbps. Higher max speeds don't necessarily affect minimum speeds when your ISPs network is congested. Still, can be worth a try.
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