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PMDG777 on curved approach into LFMN

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20 minutes ago, LRBS said:

This new trend of trying to silence people it's not only on this forum

Since when have people been "silenced" on this forum whilst staying within the rules?

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16 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Since when have people been "silenced" on this forum whilst staying within the rules?

Ray, if we pay attention to what I said I would appreciate it. I want to clarify that I did not mention anyone being silenced on this forum for expressing disagreement. I'm saying that certain members try to silence people during civilized disagreements, only that. Are we OK now?

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3 minutes ago, LRBS said:

Ray, if we pay attention to what I said I would appreciate it. I want to clarify that I did not mention anyone being silenced on this forum for expressing disagreement. I'm saying that certain members try to silence people during civilized disagreements, only that. Are we OK now?

LRBS, I did pay attention and don't be cheeky. If you'd expanded on the sentence I quoted my reply would have been unnecessary.

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1 hour ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

LRBS, I did pay attention and don't be cheeky. If you'd expanded on the sentence I quoted my reply would have been unnecessary.

Ray, it's not about being "cheeky". This statement is very clear: "This new trend of trying to silence people is not only on this forum." I repeat: "trying to silence people" it is totally different than "people have been silenced". I hope that we can agree without any other unnecessary comments and speculations.
Have a relaxed day.

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17 hours ago, LRBS said:
Ray, it's not about being "cheeky". This statement is very clear: "This new trend of trying to silence people is not only on this forum." I repeat: "trying to silence people" it is totally different than "people have been silenced". I hope that we can agree without any other unnecessary comments and speculations.
Have a relaxed day.

As one not involved, I would guess your daytime job is either a politician or lawyer.

Talk about obfuscation!

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He is a pilot, Ian. Maybe that amounts to the same thing? 🙂

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Since it’s not been mention so far in this thread: does not the VOR 22L/R approach end in a visual segment (the curved approach)? In that case I would think that would be very tricky in a large airliner like the 777. I’ve managed it in the A300, but it wasn’t easy. 

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Sorry for the double post. Avsim is not working that well today.

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On 6/29/2024 at 10:01 AM, LRBS said:

Exactly. As both you and @fluffyflops mentioned, very early releases, not even beta-tested products, have become the norm, unfortunately. When we look at recent PMDG releases and compare them to their previous work, it's clear that they used to have acceptable quality control and minimal bugs upon initial release." 
However, today they seem to have changed significantly and are almost unrecognizable compared to their previous exemplary performance. The situation ended up being a choice between a money-grab vs a high-quality software.
This new trend of trying to silence people it's not only on this forum. Also, at the PMDG forum, valid complaints are met with vigorous resistance and severe criticism for daring to report bugs or problems, sometimes leading to banning if persistence continues. Funny enough, many people are completely unaware of how airplanes should fly but love to engage in unproductive discussions. It's troubling to see how easily people abandon what's right and embrace what's wrong.
This mentality that criticism is unacceptable and that pointing out the bugs is something wrong only empowers people like RSR and Kok to continue their sloppy work. People who are familiar with and know the operation of any airplane and notice bugs should speak up for the good of the community and hope that these products will improve. 

If you criticize you will be deemed negative…

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10 hours ago, Cpt_Piett said:

Since it’s not been mention so far in this thread: does not the VOR 22L/R approach end in a visual segment (the curved approach)? In that case I would think that would be very tricky in a large airliner like the 777. I’ve managed it in the A300, but it wasn’t easy. 

That approach is performed also on B 744/748 or A380 without any issues. Absolutely in high crosswinds and turbulent air, it will require more attention. Of course, you will notice a difference between A300 and B777, two different animals, size, weight, inertia, system controls, height, cockpit view, etc. As in real life, the more hours you put into a piece of equipment the more proficient you are. Airlines, after a pilot finishes all the training and is released online, is to fly for a certain number of hours with an instructor under operating experience to get used to the airplane and operations before it is fully released. After that, we constantly learn something new on each flight, it's a constant learning curve that never stops. After a few hours, you will find the 777 to be docile like every other airplane. This PMDG 777 is quite nice in certain aspects, I'm sure you will like it.

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18 hours ago, Cpt_Piett said:

Since it’s not been mention so far in this thread: does not the VOR 22L/R approach end in a visual segment (the curved approach)? In that case I would think that would be very tricky in a large airliner like the 777. I’ve managed it in the A300, but it wasn’t easy. 

It is tricky but it helps to use the RNAVZ approach a few times, to see what turn points and speeds and tracks are chosen by the automation. These are basically the same as for a visual approach so get a feel for them and try to copy them when flying manually. It kinda works 🙂 

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3 hours ago, tfm said:

It is tricky but it helps to use the RNAVZ approach a few times, to see what turn points and speeds and tracks are chosen by the automation. These are basically the same as for a visual approach so get a feel for them and try to copy them when flying manually. It kinda works 🙂 

Great idea, I’ll give it a try. Hopefully performance will be ok as Nice is now photogrammetry with city update 7 (I think).

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16 minutes ago, Cpt_Piett said:

Great idea, I’ll give it a try. Hopefully performance will be ok as Nice is now photogrammetry with city update 7 (I think).

Yes it'll be fine with your 7950x3d: I use it with the payware airport on top of photogrammetry and it's a fun place. Also fun are the takeoffs from 4L/R with a really sharp right bank 😬

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5 hours ago, Cpt_Piett said:

 

It's important to consider that this issue could significantly impact the experience with the PMDG 777. While the autopilot mode simulates flight very closely to reality, the manual mode seems to have issues in this release. It's surprising that the real pilots during testing didn't notice the unrealistic pitch behavior, which includes abrupt jumping up and down. There are individuals from PMDG like Don and KOK who argue this problem. Any real 777 pilot will confirm this issue as to be unrealistic. For the time being, it may be best to avoid hand-flying because of this unrealistic pitch issue, with the hope that a fix will be implemented soon.

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19 minutes ago, LRBS said:

For the time being, it may be best to avoid hand-flying because of this unrealistic pitch issue, with the hope that a fix will be implemented soon.

Wasn't the initial FSX release plagued with weird hand flying traits in pitch?. I recall I parked mine in the hangar a few weeks (months even?) until it was sorted out.

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