10 hours ago, LRBS said:

Looking at only those two pictures, the first one, the CPT side has no gap between the screens (PFD and ND) while the FO side has it. 

On the second picture from the Airliners.net, there is a definitive gap between them, CPT or FO side.

 

Do you see it?

Yes, I see it. That's literally what I've been telling you. Some aircraft have gaps, some don't, some have small ones, some are wider and PMDG's has one on the FO's side that's virtually exactly the same size as the one on the Captain's side in the real picture I showed. Not sure what we're even still discussing. The whole point was to show that gaps like that do exist in the real aircraft, even if not on all airframes.

 

7 hours ago, ahsmatt7 said:

Looking at those two pictures, the whole cockpit is not to scale. I noticed something was up with the displays when I first loaded the triple up. I thought they were too small. It’s clear they are. Oh well. It’s still a good airplane. Doesn’t surprise me though. PMDG is slacking these days.

My screenshot from the sim is taken with a zoom factor which distorts the whole cockpit. It's not supposed to compare dimensions; it's just supposed to show the gap between the instruments. You can't judge the cockpit scale based on that picture.

What you're looking at in a sim is a 3D environment that is projected onto a flat 2D screen anyway. It's naturally impossible that it ever looks right. The only way to actually judge the cockpit is in VR where the cockpit looks completely different than on a 2D screen. I don't know if you have a headset, but the displays you're mentioning are much bigger in VR than what they look like in pancake mode.

Not saying the cockpit is 100 % correct, but judging dimensions from a 2D screenshot is impossible. Even the real world picture is distorted by the camera.

Edited July 13, 20241 yr by threexgreen

4 hours ago, threexgreen said:

Not saying the cockpit is 100 % correct, but judging dimensions from a 2D screenshot is impossible. Even the real world picture is distorted by the camera.

Unfortunately, it all started as usual from @Bobsk8's statement. For some unknown reason, he often comes across in a way that is not desirable to many. @Sethos nailed it with his remarks, 'Just stop the asinine, cryptic, and dismissive one-liner posts and use your actual words to add something of value to the discussion of why it may or may not be an issue.'

 

My disagreement is about a minor issue. It concerns the fact that on the CAPT side, the PFD and ND have no spacing between them. I didn't notice that on any airplane while operating the 777 or other aircraft. Although many of you use Airliners.net as a reference, and I also looked there, I couldn't find any picture where PFD and ND are rubbing against each other. Perhaps I'm wrong, not the first or the last time. Also, as I mentioned, not to be a show stopper, below the MCP, you can notice that there's a "place-holder" where some keep the RSVM charts, a hard copy of the normal checklist, or the clipboard, etc., which is not scaled correctly.

 

These little issues are totally insignificant compared to the real bugs PMDG has brought from the 737 to the 777 right now. Apart from the people who can't see things straight when others are critical of the product, I think that we're good.

I noticed that incorrectly scaled "place holder" as soon as you pointed it out.....and now I can see what you mean about the lack of a gap between the PFD and ND. I would indeed consider both of those to be graphical anomalies that probably should be corrected. I think that the gap could easily be overlooked during beta testing with so much other stuff to check out, but the "place holder" error is a bit more obvious (assuming that this is exactly the same size in every 777, which I am guessing it should be).

Edited July 13, 20241 yr by Christopher Low

1 hour ago, LRBS said:

My disagreement is about a minor issue. It concerns the fact that on the CAPT side, the PFD and ND have no spacing between them. I didn't notice that on any airplane while operating the 777 or other aircraft. Although many of you use Airliners.net as a reference, and I also looked there, I couldn't find any picture where PFD and ND are rubbing against each other.

So the goalposts have now been moved from there is too much space to there is not enough space? 

FWIW, the display units look pretty tightly squeezed against each other on the FO side here. Looks quite a lot like PMDG's...

19 minutes ago, threexgreen said:

So the goalposts have now been moved from there is too much space to there is not enough space? 

FWIW, the display units look pretty tightly squeezed against each other on the FO side here. Looks quite a lot like PMDG's...

But at least all looks the same..🙂

Thanks

 

 

1 hour ago, threexgreen said:

So the goalposts have now been moved from there is too much space to there is not enough space? 

 

Just a friendly reminder that there are no changes to the mentioned three items related to the cockpit.

Perhaps PMDG's depiction of the cockpit displays is a subtle reminder of Boeing's real world, recent (OK...last decade long!) quality control issues?

I'm not a model expert by any means...I do not believe the "gap issue" would be a simple texture fix...but, rather, for some reason, this aesthetic anomaly was purposely "baked" into the interior MDL file. Only the designers at PMDG would know why that was done.

I seem to recall Randazzo announcing during the release that customers should take a look around the interior to find some Easter Eggs...maybe this was one of them.

Could we please move on from cockpit displays? This "issue" has absolutely no bearing on the performance/function of the this simulated A/C, and in fact (based upon photographic evidence), may represent real world "fit and finish" of cockpit displays in the B777.

1 hour ago, rmeier said:

Could we please move on from cockpit displays? 

It just started with "PMDG 777, another update." Some elaborated on sounds, performance, and cockpit displays, covering a variety of topics. I still believe that we should express and respect our opinions. If you don't like our opinions, you will definitely find all the good stuff in the PMDG forum. Directing people to another topic because it is not what you want to hear is not appropriate. 

You know PMDG put out a fantastic product when we have a couple pages of people arguing whether the gap between the displays is realistic. 

2 hours ago, LRBS said:

Just a friendly reminder that there are no changes to the mentioned three items related to the cockpit.

Not sure what you're saying. The displays in that last picture look almost if not just as close together as in the PMDG. I think the photos show clearly that real aircraft sometimes have wider gaps between displays and sometimes they're very close, so I would conclude the PMDG 777 is accurate in that regard.

3 hours ago, Mo45 said:

But at least all looks the same..🙂

In that picture, yes. In the other I posted there is a noticeable difference between Captain and F/O side however.

1 hour ago, rjack1282 said:

You know PMDG put out a fantastic product when we have a couple pages of people arguing whether the gap between the displays is realistic. 

There is no argument only a sensible and interesting discussion.  Yes, PMDG has made a fantastic product but when you pay for the product you expect it to be right and realistic.  I have a 777-300 on the P3DV5 and the cockpit looks perfect on the Captain's side and officer's side, no gap or over layer.  All they have to do is update it so that it is right.  To some it might not be important but for some of us the detail matters.  Maybe it was rushed and nobody took a look at it.   

Thanks for to the rest of the community for positive input.  Sorry, it has dragged on like this.  

Thanks

Edited July 13, 20241 yr by Mo45

2 hours ago, Mo45 said:

All they have to do is update it so that it is right.  To some it might not be important but for some of us the detail matters.  Maybe it was rushed and nobody took a look at it.   

Thanks for to the rest of the community for positive input.  Sorry, it has dragged on like this.

No need to be sorry.

But I genuinely don't understand why you or some others still think it's wrong. There are photos of real aircraft showing the same kind of gap, and even different gaps (or no gap) on Captain and FO side in the same aircraft. I never noticed this before it was brought up, and if I hadn't looked at photos I would have thought it's wrong too, but it is there in the photos.

2 hours ago, Mo45 said:

There is no argument only a sensible and interesting discussion.  Yes, PMDG has made a fantastic product but when you pay for the product you expect it to be right and realistic.  I have a 777-300 on the P3DV5 and the cockpit looks perfect on the Captain's side and officer's side, no gap or over layer.  All they have to do is update it so that it is right.  To some it might not be important but for some of us the detail matters.  Maybe it was rushed and nobody took a look at it.  

Given that the IRL 777 aircraft that PMDG 3D-scanned is a used/in-use 777 rather than brand new factory-fresh, in all likelihood it has this panel gap.. which then showed up in the digital 3D model (and because they scanned it for MSFS using LiDAR technology, the digital 3D model will be highly accurate compared to the real thing). So if this is the case, then is the product still not "right and realistic"?
 

Question... is the Pushback though FMC grayed out cause it's not implemented (the way it is on PMDG 737?) Or am I doing something wrong?