In my impatience, I got FSHUD to see what is possible with reliable traffic injection. Been using it for a few days, just checking things out like performance, coordination, features, etc. And while FSHUD isn’t perfect (phraseology issues, sequencing errors, weird ground behavior at times) it’s still pretty cool. 
 

Then I wondered if it could be used as a traffic controller only, and….yes, it can! Loaded up a short flight in the 73, and loaded both programs. Turned down the FSHUD volume and used BATC for ATC…Now obviously BATC doesn’t see the other traffic, and it won’t sequence you accordingly, but having better separation, flow, and density all while the other planes can “see” you was quite nice. This will of course be obsolete once FSHUD 2.0 and BATC with traffic arrive, but for now, it’s a viable solution in terms of both traffic injection with decent performance, and realistic ATC. 

I've had FSLTL inject traffic and let the in-game AI make its best guesses on what to do with me, but I've never thought of using FSHUD for this.

1 hour ago, V1ROTA7E said:

Now obviously BATC doesn’t see the other traffic, and it won’t sequence you accordingly, but having better separation, flow, and density all while the other planes can “see” you was quite nice.

I guess this is the advantage of combining FSHud with BATC vs for instance combining BATC with FSLTL or AIG. 

nah i recommend you use fslt with ai flow and ai ground you can pick runways for ai to takeoff and land and sync with batc and they also make sure to create space with user ,  plus you get much better performance with fslt injector 

Or you could just use AIFlow and AIGround, which does not cost you 20 FPS for 30 aircraft (and this is not an exaggeration).

1 minute ago, Fiorentoni said:

Or you could just use AIFlow and AIGround, which does not cost you 20 FPS for 30 aircraft (and this is not an exaggeration).

Are you using AIG? I am, and performance is generally very good, except at very busy airports.

23 minutes ago, Cpt_Piett said:

Are you using AIG? I am, and performance is generally very good, except at very busy airports.

doesn't matter the ai models is the fshud  perfomance problem  when only the atc addon injecting 10 ai aircrafts using more cpu than  msfs  doesn't make sense

58 minutes ago, Cpt_Piett said:

Are you using AIG? I am, and performance is generally very good, except at very busy airports.

Yes I am, AIG is great. It's FSHud that costs 20 FPS. This has nothing to do with AIG, it's FSHud that does its traffic calculations. Very curious to see how BATC fares with their upcoming traffic. The BATC devs already said performance is even better than default AI traffic, so this would probably be the end of FSHud then.

Edited August 2, 20241 yr by Fiorentoni

I am fairly satisfied with the combination BeyondATC + FSLTL + FS Radio Chatter for the moment. Makes you also appreciate how realistic the voices really are compared to the real ones. 

Just tried it. First full flight ever with Behond ATC.

So far so good. I like the combination.

Just might use it from now on.

 

Thanks

7 hours ago, Fiorentoni said:

Or you could just use AIFlow and AIGround, which does not cost you 20 FPS for 30 aircraft (and this is not an exaggeration).

The first flight I tried it on was EBBR-LOWS. EBBR is no slouch when it comes to performance. Using LSFG/Native FG/AutoFPS, it felt very very smooth. There was traffic at nearly every gate in EBBR. Probably around 10 departures at the time i as leaving as well. I'm a snob when it comes to smoothness, and when I tell you the performance was fine, it was really fine. The only complaint I have was there was a bit more input lag while panning than usual, but not a show stopper. If this is any indication of the performance we'll see with BATC, I think it's a good thing. AIFlow/Ground is fine and gets the job done, but it's never guaranteed, because it's still traffic bound by default handling. At least we know we're getting closer to better solutions.

1 hour ago, V1ROTA7E said:

AIFlow/Ground is fine and gets the job done, but it's never guaranteed, because it's still traffic bound by default handling. At least we know we're getting closer to better solutions.

That’s a good point. Manchester was a mess with AIG+AIFlow/Ground.

So these are from KJFK with TLOD at 100 (no AutoFPS running), photogrammatry is OFF, DX12 with native FG, everything ULTRA or higher, TAA and 120 on the resolution scalar. LSFG is running, but you can't see the FPS; it's indicating 104 FPS. FSHUD controller on the uncached cores (7-15).

Hi, Is this FSHUD in the screenshots ?.

3 hours ago, bloxboy said:

Hi, Is this FSHUD in the screenshots ?.

Yep