Sit this one out - liked to have got it BUT just the look of the textures is enough. Yes maybe system fidelity etc but it looks down market compared to the default Laminar A330. I have the Tollis A319 and there is no comparison. Maybe it will get a makeover or something we shall see. Thought they dropped this one onto themarket a bit too quickly given their pre-release blurbs not that long ago. 

Appreciate the feedback here on this!

I suppose we could all wait another 5 years, but than they could have made it really pretty than everyone would complain about the rest, Than they would have no income and we loose another developer, but who cares. we want perfect and we want it now.

OK, regardless of the texture quality I think after great flights with the ToLiss A320 I will have much fun with this new plane, too.😉

Patric

Edited October 22, 20241 yr by pscharff

12 hours ago, efis007 said:

Today there are people who use computers equipped with monstrous video cards with monstrous power (RTX 40xx and similar) capable of processing billions of hyper-realistic graphic details without the slightest effort.... and what do we propose to these people?

Certainly not a ROI from Toliss that they don't owe. Yet we know how much those graphic cards cost when they wanted them after they first come out. Up words of $1600 to $2200 or more  should be the last ones complaining about spending $90 over some textures on an aircraft, especially those who put their full faith and confidence in developer who didn't provided them with efb for 2 years only offering a single variant for $70 after its initial release in that other sim that they can had for free in this one. 

The textures are on par with the other Toliss offerings.  The screenshots on page 1 of this thread highlight an XP bug that has been persistent in XP12.  I've had the same happen with the A319, A320Neo, etc.  A simple reload of the aircraft will fix it.  You can see the grey artifacts on the buttons and knobs if you don't believe me.

If you are purchasing a Toliss expecting anything other than acceptable graphics, superior system depth, superior flight characteristics and amazing performance, then you obviously have no experience with Toliss and should not purchase.  I value the last three by far more than the first.  It's hard to find a system that isn't modeled. 

You also benefit from a developer with a proven track record that provides great support and will continue to update the product through its lifecycle.

 

24 minutes ago, pscharff said:

OK, regardless of the texture quality I think after great flights with the ToLiss A320 I will have much fun with this new plane, too.😉

Patric

You should,   they provide a tutorial to help get you through most of the systems that is worth trying out. Once you get through working it, the texture will be the last this on your mind because so much that is pack in this aircraft.

Apparently there is a fix to resolve the texture issue that was commented on the FSElite in the comment section. 

https://fselite.net/content/first-look-toliss-airbus-a330-900/

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3 hours ago

There's a fix for that - it's not actually the aircraft, it's X-Plane itself reducing the texture quality due to low VRAM. You can open up the aircraft in Plane Maker and change the option to force cockpit textures to higher quality if need be (ToLiss have stated that this will be enabled by default in the 1.0.1 patch coming this week).

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Now I wonder whos got the guts to apologise to Tolliss for there rants over the graphics??

Guys this plane is simply amazing. The modern traffic advisory system is so immersive and fun. I think I'm having a new favourite addon. And the 330 is one of my favourite aircrafts irl as well. I agree that the cockpit textures should be imporved (and will be) but otherwise a fantastic addon! Handflying it is simply amazing. I 100% prefer to have a very good simulated addon quickly (that will keep imporving) rather than to wait 6 more months with nothing at all. But very well done from Toliss!

34 minutes ago, mjrhealth said:

Now I wonder whos got the guts to apologise to Tolliss for there rants over the graphics??

Apologize for what?
We are not just talking about textures, but low polygon detail. 
This plane seems to be made in low-poly like the panels of FS2004, you can reload it even 100 times in XP12, but it will always remain with few polygons.

Out of curiosity, have you ever gone to see how the planes of the other simulation were modeled, polygonized, and textured, like the Fenix A3xx or an iFly 737 Max?
You are left speechless by the incredible detail of each element, they are true graphic masterpieces. 😵
And it is not a miracle.
Those other planes clearly show the modern graphics that are possible to create in the year 2024 with today's technology.
Nothing more.
But when you look at this Toliss A330 you immediately realize how negatively evident the graphic gap is between this product and other competing aircraft of the counterpart (eg Fenix Airbus)
In the year 2024 theoretically there should no longer be discussions regarding paid aircraft textured in a botched way, and polygonized making extensive use of low-poly.
These discussions were absolutely normal 20 years ago at the time of FS9 when all aircraft had mandatory low-poly panels.
And instead, incredibly, in the year 2024 we are still discussing low-poly panels and cabins. 😶

I really like Toliss!!
I bought them in 2019 because they fly well, have accurate simulation systems, have a much better framerate than the FlightFactor A320 (my worst purchase).
However, times change and Toliss absolutely must adapt to modern times in which a beautiful plane will never be truly beautiful until it also has graphics worthy of the year 2024!
Other competing products have understood this and have done so.
Toliss has fallen behind on the texturing and re-modeling of a new high-poly model, especially inside the airplane.

So I don't have to apologize to anyone  I'm reporting factual and verifiable evidence by anyone (just look at some photos of the Fenix Airbus to notice the incredible detail of its modeling/texturing compared to Toliss).
If Toliss was forced to make an airplane with 1/50th the polygons of the "msfs counterpart" then it means that XP12 would be holding back the ability of Toliss and its modelers to make graphic masterpieces of quality equal to the Fenix Airbus and iFly737Max. 😒
So...who is to blame for this mess?
Who should apologize to whom?
Perhaps it is Toliss's fault that it does not have the ability to model like the Fenix A3xx, and therefore it is Toliss that has to apologize to the buyers for having marketed an A330 "graphically questionable" by today's standards?
Or perhaps it is XP12's fault that does not accept models that are too beautiful (under penalty of Vram crash), and therefore it is Laminar that has to apologize to both Toliss and the buyers?

2 hours ago, efis007 said:

¿Disculpas por qué?
No estamos hablando solo de texturas, sino de detalles de polígonos bajos. 
Este avión parece hecho en low-poly como los paneles de FS2004, puedes recargarlo hasta 100 veces en XP12, pero siempre se quedará con pocos polígonos.

Por curiosidad, ¿alguna vez habéis ido a ver cómo se modelaban, poligonalizaban y texturizaban los aviones de la otra simulación, como el Fenix A3xx o un iFly 737 Max?
Os quedáis boquiabiertos con el increíble detalle de cada elemento, son auténticas obras maestras gráficas.  😵
Y no es ningún milagro.
Esos otros aviones muestran claramente los gráficos modernos que son posibles de crear en el año 2024 con la tecnología actual.
Nada más.
Pero cuando miras este Toliss A330 te das cuenta inmediatamente de lo negativamente evidente que es la brecha gráfica entre este producto y otros aviones competidores de la contraparte (p.ej. Fenix Airbus)
En el año 2024 teóricamente ya no debería haber discusiones respecto a aviones de pago texturizados de forma chapucera, y poligonalizados haciendo un uso extensivo del low-poly.
Estas discusiones eran absolutamente normales hace 20 años en la época de FS9 cuando todos los aviones tenían paneles low-poly obligatorios.
Y en cambio, increíblemente, en el año 2024 todavía estamos hablando de paneles y cabinas low-poly.  😶

Me gustan mucho los Toliss!!
Los compré en 2019 porque vuelan bien, tienen sistemas de simulación precisos, tienen una velocidad de cuadros mucho mejor que el FlightFactor A320 (mi peor compra).
Sin embargo, los tiempos cambian y Toliss debe adaptarse absolutamente a los tiempos modernos en los que un avión hermoso nunca será verdaderamente hermoso hasta que también tenga gráficos dignos del año 2024!
Otros productos de la competencia lo han entendido y lo han hecho.
Toliss se ha quedado atrás en el texturizado y el remodelado de un nuevo modelo de alta poli, especialmente en el interior del avión.

Así que no tengo que disculparme con nadie, estoy reportando evidencia fáctica y verificable por cualquiera (solo mire algunas fotos del Airbus Fenix para notar el increíble detalle de su modelado / texturizado en comparación con Toliss).
Si Toliss se vio obligado a hacer un avión con 1/50 de los polígonos del "contraparte msfs", entonces significa que XP12 estaría frenando la capacidad de Toliss y sus modelistas para hacer obras maestras gráficas de calidad igual al Airbus Fenix y iFly737Max.  😒
Entonces ... ¿quién es el culpable de este lío?
¿Quién debería disculparse con quién?
¿Quizás sea culpa de Toliss que no tenga la capacidad de modelar como el Fenix A3xx, y por lo tanto es Toliss quien tiene que disculparse con los compradores por haber comercializado un A330 " gráficamente cuestionable " para los estándares actuales?
¿O quizás es culpa de XP12 que no acepta modelos demasiado hermosos (so pena de caída de Vram), y por lo tanto es Laminar quien tiene que disculparse tanto con Toliss como con los compradores?

All those details come to nothing when I try to hand fly those planes or try to land.

@efis007 95 % of users would never notice. And what is expected of todays tech, is just someones opinion. There  are always that 1% who will pour over whole model looking for the missing screw the jaged edge just so they can find something to complain about, to them nothing will ever be good enough, where most are simply happy to have the opportunity to fly the thing.

The expectations of some has really reached completely crazy levels knowing Toliss developped that plane in only about 1 year and also knowing he has to put the same amount of work as similar addons sold in a sim that has easily 10x more users and so should basically be sold for 10x its price to have the same payback covering the costs. Its pretty sad. XP’s main strength is its flight dynamics, the « others » strength are the visuals and never reached the level of XP’s flight fidelity. Reacting like that only shows where someone puts its priority. For me it’s clearly the flying fidelity. Each its own.

Another very good review coming from someone using MSFS but tested that addon in XP12. It’s nice to see after all the positive Feedbacks from real Airbus-pilots having flown it. My guess is that it will soon become Toliss’ new flagship.

https://www.thresholdx.net/review/tla339

1 hour ago, Franz007 said:

Another very good review coming from someone using MSFS but tested that addon in XP12. It’s nice to see after all the positive Feedbacks from real Airbus-pilots having flown it. My guess is that it will soon become Toliss’ new flagship.

https://www.thresholdx.net/review/tla339

That guy never mentions ever having flown a real one anywhere in that review. Purely a sim review.